I don't so dearly care about copyrights. BAMA seems to be the only readily
available 'free' source of manuals available online. I am new to this group,
so I didn't know that this subject has been rehashed a zillion times
already - sorry about that. I didn't claim that his ad said that it was from
BAMA, but it's identical to the copy I obtained from there. So I guess
there's nothing stopping me from doing the same thing with my Heathkit
manuals - I just scan em in and sell the copies, eh? If I had my druthers,
there would be no copyright law and everything would be freely available for
downloading...

~Tom



"Joe" wrote in message
news.com...

Take a look at this and all his other "manuals" - maybe ripped from BAMA
ftp
site? It only takes one joker like this to wreck it for all of us. Is
this
copyright infringement?



Take a deep breath Tom. Where does his ad say it's from BAMA?
Where does his ad say he even MADE the copy? You know as well
as I know that EICO is LONG out of biz. There are MANY MANY
'companies' selling copies of old manuals - Hi Manuals and many
others. This is a stale old debate that no one but zealots care about.
Jezus - there are photocopies out there of manuals for gear that hasn't
been sold in DECADES. Get over it! And I might add that just because
BAMA doesn't charge doesn't mean they wouldn't be violating the
copyrights you seem so dearly to care about!!

Joe

I don't so dearly care about copyrights. BAMA seems to be the only readily
available 'free' source of manuals available online. I am new to this group,
so I didn't know that this subject has been rehashed a zillion times
already - sorry about that. I didn't claim that his ad said that it was from
BAMA, but it's identical to the copy I obtained from there. So I guess
there's nothing stopping me from doing the same thing with my Heathkit
manuals - I just scan em in and sell the copies, eh? If I had my druthers,
there would be no copyright law and everything would be freely available for
downloading...

~Tom



"Joe" wrote in message
news.com...

Take a look at this and all his other "manuals" - maybe ripped from BAMA
ftp
site? It only takes one joker like this to wreck it for all of us. Is
this
copyright infringement?



Take a deep breath Tom. Where does his ad say it's from BAMA?
Where does his ad say he even MADE the copy? You know as well
as I know that EICO is LONG out of biz. There are MANY MANY
'companies' selling copies of old manuals - Hi Manuals and many
others. This is a stale old debate that no one but zealots care about.
Jezus - there are photocopies out there of manuals for gear that hasn't
been sold in DECADES. Get over it! And I might add that just because
BAMA doesn't charge doesn't mean they wouldn't be violating the
copyrights you seem so dearly to care about!!

Joe

In my experience, the holders of valid copyrights on outdated material tend
to go easy on casual swaps of copies among hobbyists. However, if it looks
like someone intends to make a living selling copies of their stuff, AND the
owner still stands to make significant income from said stuff, then they
might get lawyers involved, probably starting with a "cease and desist"
letter.

A couple of years ago, I got an email from someone at SAMS (the Photofact
people) noting that I had posted a portion of a 1950s SAMS TV schematic on
my website. This was a restoration article and the schematic snip
illustrated a specific problem that I had solved. The SAMS guy was very
nice, and only asked that I give them credit for having supplied the
schematic. This, despite the fact that SAMS is alive and well, and it
typically sells that sort of schematic for around $25 a pop. They probably
figured that the miniscule amount of free advertising for long-obsolete
schematics outweighed the hassle/expense of having some higher-paid employee
call me long distance to make the same request :-) The schematic snippet
wasn't that important to the article anyhow, so I simply deleted it from the
web article.

It's harder than you might imagine to find out who -- if anyone -- still
holds a valid copyright to old material. I have tried looking a couple of
times, and ran out of patience long before I found an answer.

It never occurred to me to look on Ebay for a schematic or manual. I have
had good luck with suppliers such as http://www.w7fg.com/ and
http://agtannenbaum.com/ and http://www.tubesandmore.com/ .

Phil Nelson
Phil's Old Radios
http://antiqueradio.org/index.html

In my experience, the holders of valid copyrights on outdated material tend
to go easy on casual swaps of copies among hobbyists. However, if it looks
like someone intends to make a living selling copies of their stuff, AND the
owner still stands to make significant income from said stuff, then they
might get lawyers involved, probably starting with a "cease and desist"
letter.

A couple of years ago, I got an email from someone at SAMS (the Photofact
people) noting that I had posted a portion of a 1950s SAMS TV schematic on
my website. This was a restoration article and the schematic snip
illustrated a specific problem that I had solved. The SAMS guy was very
nice, and only asked that I give them credit for having supplied the
schematic. This, despite the fact that SAMS is alive and well, and it
typically sells that sort of schematic for around $25 a pop. They probably
figured that the miniscule amount of free advertising for long-obsolete
schematics outweighed the hassle/expense of having some higher-paid employee
call me long distance to make the same request :-) The schematic snippet
wasn't that important to the article anyhow, so I simply deleted it from the
web article.

It's harder than you might imagine to find out who -- if anyone -- still
holds a valid copyright to old material. I have tried looking a couple of
times, and ran out of patience long before I found an answer.

It never occurred to me to look on Ebay for a schematic or manual. I have
had good luck with suppliers such as http://www.w7fg.com/ and
http://agtannenbaum.com/ and http://www.tubesandmore.com/ .

Phil Nelson
Phil's Old Radios
http://antiqueradio.org/index.html

There is nothing "free". Someone took the time and trouble to scan the
manuals, someone pays for the webspace, etc. Since you have the Heathkit
manuals, why don't YOU scan them and send them to BAMA for posting.
You may discover that scanning hundreds or even thousands of pages
of manuals is "work". Some people are so dense as to think they should
receive some form of payment for "work". I have sold hundreds of CD's
on eBay containing about 50 military manuals, almost all of which I scanned
myself, page by page. For a lot of the manuals, I had to buy them first,
then scan, then hope to resell and recover some of my costs. Most of the
people that bought my CD's were darn glad to get them as their only
alternative
was buying an original manual and many times the price of the CD.

BTW, you will be glad to know that one of my CD buyers has put all my
files on his web page so people like you can download them "free". The only
work he did was to do a file copy operation taking a couple of minutes
at most.

good luck, 73,
Phil
W5BVB

"Nocturnal1" wrote in message
...
I don't so dearly care about copyrights. BAMA seems to be the only readily
available 'free' source of manuals available online. I am new to this
group,
so I didn't know that this subject has been rehashed a zillion times
already - sorry about that. I didn't claim that his ad said that it was
from
BAMA, but it's identical to the copy I obtained from there. So I guess
there's nothing stopping me from doing the same thing with my Heathkit
manuals - I just scan em in and sell the copies, eh? If I had my druthers,
there would be no copyright law and everything would be freely available
for
downloading...

~Tom



"Joe" wrote in message
news.com...

Take a look at this and all his other "manuals" - maybe ripped from
BAMA
ftp
site? It only takes one joker like this to wreck it for all of us. Is
this
copyright infringement?



Take a deep breath Tom. Where does his ad say it's from BAMA?
Where does his ad say he even MADE the copy? You know as well
as I know that EICO is LONG out of biz. There are MANY MANY
'companies' selling copies of old manuals - Hi Manuals and many
others. This is a stale old debate that no one but zealots care about.
Jezus - there are photocopies out there of manuals for gear that hasn't
been sold in DECADES. Get over it! And I might add that just because
BAMA doesn't charge doesn't mean they wouldn't be violating the
copyrights you seem so dearly to care about!!

Joe

There is nothing "free". Someone took the time and trouble to scan the
manuals, someone pays for the webspace, etc. Since you have the Heathkit
manuals, why don't YOU scan them and send them to BAMA for posting.
You may discover that scanning hundreds or even thousands of pages
of manuals is "work". Some people are so dense as to think they should
receive some form of payment for "work". I have sold hundreds of CD's
on eBay containing about 50 military manuals, almost all of which I scanned
myself, page by page. For a lot of the manuals, I had to buy them first,
then scan, then hope to resell and recover some of my costs. Most of the
people that bought my CD's were darn glad to get them as their only
alternative
was buying an original manual and many times the price of the CD.

BTW, you will be glad to know that one of my CD buyers has put all my
files on his web page so people like you can download them "free". The only
work he did was to do a file copy operation taking a couple of minutes
at most.

good luck, 73,
Phil
W5BVB

"Nocturnal1" wrote in message
...
I don't so dearly care about copyrights. BAMA seems to be the only readily
available 'free' source of manuals available online. I am new to this
group,
so I didn't know that this subject has been rehashed a zillion times
already - sorry about that. I didn't claim that his ad said that it was
from
BAMA, but it's identical to the copy I obtained from there. So I guess
there's nothing stopping me from doing the same thing with my Heathkit
manuals - I just scan em in and sell the copies, eh? If I had my druthers,
there would be no copyright law and everything would be freely available
for
downloading...

~Tom



"Joe" wrote in message
news.com...

Take a look at this and all his other "manuals" - maybe ripped from
BAMA
ftp
site? It only takes one joker like this to wreck it for all of us. Is
this
copyright infringement?



Take a deep breath Tom. Where does his ad say it's from BAMA?
Where does his ad say he even MADE the copy? You know as well
as I know that EICO is LONG out of biz. There are MANY MANY
'companies' selling copies of old manuals - Hi Manuals and many
others. This is a stale old debate that no one but zealots care about.
Jezus - there are photocopies out there of manuals for gear that hasn't
been sold in DECADES. Get over it! And I might add that just because
BAMA doesn't charge doesn't mean they wouldn't be violating the
copyrights you seem so dearly to care about!!

Joe

Nocturnal1 wrote:

I don't so dearly care about copyrights. BAMA seems to be the only readily
available 'free' source of manuals available online. I am new to this group,
so I didn't know that this subject has been rehashed a zillion times
already - sorry about that. I didn't claim that his ad said that it was from
BAMA, but it's identical to the copy I obtained from there. So I guess
there's nothing stopping me from doing the same thing with my Heathkit
manuals - I just scan em in and sell the copies, eh? If I had my druthers,
there would be no copyright law and everything would be freely available for
downloading...

~Tom
Although I appreciate the BAMA site, the 2 schematics I have down loaded were
unreadable as far as parts values or nomenclature.

Dale W4OP

Nocturnal1 wrote:

I don't so dearly care about copyrights. BAMA seems to be the only readily
available 'free' source of manuals available online. I am new to this group,
so I didn't know that this subject has been rehashed a zillion times
already - sorry about that. I didn't claim that his ad said that it was from
BAMA, but it's identical to the copy I obtained from there. So I guess
there's nothing stopping me from doing the same thing with my Heathkit
manuals - I just scan em in and sell the copies, eh? If I had my druthers,
there would be no copyright law and everything would be freely available for
downloading...

~Tom
Although I appreciate the BAMA site, the 2 schematics I have down loaded were
unreadable as far as parts values or nomenclature.

Dale W4OP

Dale Parfitt wrote:


Although I appreciate the BAMA site, the 2 schematics I have down loaded were
unreadable as far as parts values or nomenclature.


Dale W4OP

It is usually noted on the index page who submitted the scans. You
might try and contact them directly to provide you with a better scan.

-Bill

Dale Parfitt wrote:


Although I appreciate the BAMA site, the 2 schematics I have down loaded were
unreadable as far as parts values or nomenclature.


Dale W4OP

It is usually noted on the index page who submitted the scans. You
might try and contact them directly to provide you with a better scan.

-Bill