On Thu, 15 Sep 2005 21:55:58 +0900, "Brenda Ann"
wrote:

I keep hearing on the news about the massive failure in communications after
Katrina (and they're also talking about the same thing after 9/11).

My question is... are these people completely clueless? Don't they have
engineers that they can talk to?

In the case of 9/11, where were the repeaters for the fire/police/etc? On
top of the WTC towers... and those lost power when the planes hit (at least
the upper floors), ergo, no comms. And they certainly weren't working after
the towers fell.

Now, I may be in error about the location of their repeaters, these may have
been elsewhere (the only other real choice would be the Empire State
Building), but again, walkie talkies don't work well inside of concrete
buildings.. range would be spotty at best.

They're talking about needing more spectrum for comms. Under those
conditions, no amount of additional spectrum space would make a whit of
difference.

This goes double or more for New Orleans. They could have all the spectrum
space in the world, but if the infrastructure to run it (electrical power,
antenna systems, etc.) is destroyed, it would avail them not at all. One of
the problems with UHF and VHF two way communications is that the antennas
need to be as high as possible, which makes them prime targets for hurricane
force winds. There are locat tactical frequencies that allow on scene
personnel to talk to one another, but those are very limited in range, and
furthermore the chargers for those handie talkies are sitting back at the
station which has no power, or limited time on generator power. Maybe
satellite coms are the answer, get away from terrestrial linkups that are
more fallible. And you can stuff a lot of PS comms on a single 72MHz wide Ku
band transponder.

So much for my little rant.. I just can't believe they're griping about the
government not doing enough to insure comms during an emergency, when in
some emergencies, such as a hurricane, tornado, or terrorist bombing, the
comms infrastructure may be the first thing to go, and there's not a hell of
a lot you can do about it.


Would you PLEASE stop confusing the issue with the facts!!!!!
Everyone knows it's Bush's fault.

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I keep hearing on the news about the massive failure in communications
after
Katrina (and they're also talking about the same thing after 9/11).


My question is... are these people completely clueless?
YES~they are completely clueless.
They technological illiterates.
( for example: Just look at the lack of technical experience of former FCC
commisioner Powell and current commisioner Abernathy.)

Don't they have engineers that they can talk to?

major snip

There are engineers, and other comms folks that they can talk to.
Unfortunately, the higher command political types DON"T talk to them.
They view commo types as techno-GEEKS and idiots because comm folks don't
schmooze or BS and don't have political skills.

The eyes of higher command political types glaze over, and their minds go
blank, when you start to talking about mission critical components, fault
tolerance, system robustness,and critical path analysis.

Comms structures tend to be up high and outside in areas that are cheap to
acquire.
Cheap usually boils down to areas that nobody else wants.
Consequently Mission Critical Towers, antennas, radio transmitters, and
relay equipment tends to be put in areas that are the first to be damaged in
severe weather and are hard to access even under good conditions.

Cheap also means that a of maintenace is "deferred", and a full set of
back-up or even critical repair parts and equipment is not acquired, much
less stored and assembled in a ready to go condition.



They're talking about needing more spectrum for comms. Under those
conditions, no amount of additional spectrum space would make a whit of
difference.

Communications spectrum is really not the problem.
Lack of Bandwidth on the few remaining operational comm systems is the real
problem.
In an emergency there is a greatly increased amount of data trying to go
through the few, much reduced, remaining comm systems

So much for my little rant.. I just can't believe they're griping about
the
government not doing enough to insure comms during an emergency, when in
some emergencies, such as a hurricane, tornado, or terrorist bombing, the
comms infrastructure may be the first thing to go, and there's not a hell
of
a lot you can do about it.


THAT"S RIGHT, but you can have equipment stockpiled and trained
installers/operators ready to go.

On Thu, 15 Sep 2005 21:55:58 +0900, "Brenda Ann"
wrote:

I keep hearing on the news about the massive failure in communications after
Katrina (and they're also talking about the same thing after 9/11).

My question is... are these people completely clueless? Don't they have
engineers that they can talk to?

In the case of 9/11, where were the repeaters for the fire/police/etc? On
top of the WTC towers... and those lost power when the planes hit (at least
the upper floors), ergo, no comms. And they certainly weren't working after
the towers fell.

Now, I may be in error about the location of their repeaters, these may have
been elsewhere (the only other real choice would be the Empire State
Building), but again, walkie talkies don't work well inside of concrete
buildings.. range would be spotty at best.

They're talking about needing more spectrum for comms. Under those
conditions, no amount of additional spectrum space would make a whit of
difference.

This goes double or more for New Orleans. They could have all the spectrum
space in the world, but if the infrastructure to run it (electrical power,
antenna systems, etc.) is destroyed, it would avail them not at all. One of
the problems with UHF and VHF two way communications is that the antennas
need to be as high as possible, which makes them prime targets for hurricane
force winds. There are locat tactical frequencies that allow on scene
personnel to talk to one another, but those are very limited in range, and
furthermore the chargers for those handie talkies are sitting back at the
station which has no power, or limited time on generator power. Maybe
satellite coms are the answer, get away from terrestrial linkups that are
more fallible. And you can stuff a lot of PS comms on a single 72MHz wide Ku
band transponder.

You still have the problem of the hand units which can't be
charged.


So much for my little rant.. I just can't believe they're griping about the
government not doing enough to insure comms during an emergency, when in
some emergencies, such as a hurricane, tornado, or terrorist bombing, the
comms infrastructure may be the first thing to go, and there's not a hell of
a lot you can do about it.

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