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November 30th 03, 07:32 PM

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(N2EY) writes:

"Dwight Stewart" wrote in message
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"N2EY" wrote:
"Dwight Stewart" writes:

Considering the power levels, the number
of frequencies and bands, the overall
safety considerations, (snip)

You're avoiding my question, Dwight.

No, you just don't like the answer given.

Would you accept "it's obvious" as an answer to "why a code test"?

Nobody would accept "it's obvious." :-)

Didn't think so.

If anything, I'm ignoring a
fanciful, long-winded, exchange that cannot add anything of real substance
to the discussion about Morse code testing (see below).

Your methods of misdirection are doing quite well. You can make
up all kinds of fanciful, long-winded exchanges about OTHER
alleged improprieties...and that directs folks attention away from
the "necessity" of a code test.

That was your whole purpose anyway (visible to all who can read).

Since you keep asking this, do you
have a point to make, Jim?

Yes.

The point is that some folks apply a double
standard when deciding which tests to keep
and which to get rid of.

The only double standard that exists is not having the same testing for
all operating modes.
Unless there is a justification to do otherwise, either
have skill testing for all modes or no skill testing for any mode.

I disagree. Would you have skill testing for modes that few hams use,
like EME or TV, on an equal par with those that are widely used, like
voice and Morse?

This is NOT about "skill testing for modes that few hams use."

This is about the CODE TEST.

There is
no longer any justification today for a unique test solely for Morse code.

I disagree. YMMV.

In the end, it's simply an opinion question.

No, it's about CONTROL. It's about keeping the SAME standards
(forever) that YOU had to meet...even when those standards won't
apply to you or your privileges.

Where is all the morse code use in all the public safety agencies
and distress-emergency communications means elsewhere in the
larger world of radio? GONE. Only some radio amateurs use it.

You will argue that other radio isn't the "same" as amateur radio.
The only bolster for that argument is your previous rationalizations
which are a disguise for requiring all in the future to do just as you
did in the past. That's the "control" part. That's keeping the OLD
standards because, if the old standards are reduced or gone, you
don't have any claim of "superiority" over others in amateur radio.

That opinion is consistent with recent FCC published statements.

Does that mean FCC is always right?

Was FCC right when they required 20 wpm for full privs and no waivers?

No. It only means that, LONG AGO, the FCC gave into ARRL
demands, lobbying, and pressure. Way back, before Internet, the
ARRL was a mighty influence in DC. No longer.

As such,
the unique Morse code test should be eliminated.

And perhaps it will be - someday.

Amateur radio is the last hurrah for morse code.

The Archaic Radiotelegraphy Society (ARS) will be no more than
a memory...and countless articles of "the old days" in amateur
magazines when the editors of same can't publish technical
articles about "advancing the state of the amateur radio art."

Not willing to accept that, you ignore the obvious double standard and
instead try conjure up an imaginary double standard relating to the written
tests.

Nope.

I simply point out that the same arguments used against the code test
can be used against most of the written tests.

Your "pointing" only points to subjects NOT under discussion and
you refuse to "point" to the subject.

But most people support the written tests as they are for opinion
reasons, nothing more.

Then make your "point" to the VEC QPC. They are the ones who
make up the written questions. They also generate the code test
source.

The "14 petitions" are almost exclusively about the CODE TEST.

No such double standard exists. Those written tests, and their
contents, serve a valid purpose today.

What valid purpose do the General and Extra written tests serve? Why
is *all* of their content necessary to operate HF beyond the small
sample of privileges granted to Novices and Tech Pluses?

Your "pointing vector" is not in the same direction as it should be.

Try to stay focussed on the CODE TEST.

None here, including you, have said
otherwise.

I've simply used the same arguments against them as are used against
the code test.

You have misdirected mightily.

The same cannot be said about the Morse code test.

Sure it can. I've done it.

You've done everything. :-)

With all that in mind, I have no desire to engage in a fanciful discussion
about the contents of the written tests, especially when that discussion
cannot possibly lead to a valid point - no conflict or double standard
exists concerning the written tests. As such, I've ignored the rest of your
message and have instead addressed the specific point you've acknowledged
trying to make.

You choose to ignore it because you don't have a definitive
counterargument. You cannot prove that most of the content of the
writtens, particularly the General and Extra writtens, are
*necessary*.

Tsk, tsk, you are still misdirecting.

The subject is the CODE TEST and the 14 petitions.

You want to argue written questions because you have NO
counter argument to keep the CODE TEST...in this millennium.

IOW, you know that if the same criteria of "is it necessary?" were
applied to most of the written questions, the answer would be the same
as you get for the code test.

Your misdirection is getting absurd. This isn't about the written
questions. It is about the CODE TEST.

Hello? Earth to Jimmie, come in, spaceman spoof...find any aliens
ready to invade earth that can be destroyed through using morse
code for communications? :-)

If you are so all-fired concerned about the writtens, why don't you
contact the VEC QPC? Or file a petition with the FCC on the
amateur writtens. FCC will accept lots of things. They did with the
14 PETITIONS now closed for comment.

LHA