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It just so happens that I don't
like CW, in the sense of I have no desire to use it. That
should be OK too, but for some reason it bothers you. Why?

No it does not bother me that someone who has learned it
chooses not to use it. They have made that decision from a
position of knowledge and experience. This is radically
different from a person judging it and saying they will never
use it when they do not have that knowledge and experience to
draw on.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

Right on the money, Dee. Larry pointed this out earlier, but not
as eloquently as you.

73 de Bert
WA2SI



It fascinates me that you won't accept someone's plain and simple
truth that they don't like CW--even if they don't have experience
with it--because you reason that they need to have "knowledge and
experience" with it. Well, I know people who are quite
well-versed in CW who don't like it, people who haven't ever even
tried it and don't like it, and people who have taken and passed
a 5wpm test and don't like it. I also know people from those
same three categories that do like CW operation.

It's pretty much as simple as folks who do or don't like most
other things in life. Either ya like it or ya don't.

Kim W5TIT




I think that you have hit upon a very important point there, Kim. A
good analogy might be not liking an item of food that you haven't
tried, because it looks disgusting on your plate. If you eat some
you might like it, or not, but there are probably all kinds of
other things that contain the same nutrition. These guys are like a
parent telling a child that they have to eat their brocolli. But
they aren't my parents and I don't like brocolli, or CW. I take
vitamins, and work phone.

Slight difference, Alun. Nobody's forcing anybody to learn code.
There exists a no-code Technician license for those who do not wish
to have to pass the 5-wpm code exam.

73 de Bert
WA2SI

Not really true.

Very true, Alun...very true.

No HF privileges with that licence, as we all know.

As with most things in life, increased *privileges* requires increased
effort. The ARS is but a microsm or society as a whole. Despite the
efforts of some to reduce it to "just a hobby" status, the values and
principles we learn in our "avocations" will likely carry over into the
other aspects of our lives. Many here were first licensed as children
or young adults, that's no accident.

The kids of today are referred to as the Nintendo generation, kinda
hard to compete with. However, in our quest to gain quantity, we appear
to be courting a slightly older prospective ham...products of the newer
"I want it now" society. So what can we do, villify the "speed bump" of
our licensing structure in an effort to remove any "barriers."

If you admit that you view the code test as a "speed bump", then you are
admitting it's not relevant, but just there to slow down the traffic. You
view that as desirable, and I don't, which is one of the differences
between us.

I kinda
liken it to kids that are graduating HS with a 5th, 6th, or 7th grade
reading level. Gee, how'd they get through? Check out the recent
regents debacle. Not enough kids pass, it must be to hard...so we'll
throw 'em a curve. See the cycle there. Had someone had the courage to
NOT throw some of these kids their earlier curves in the first place,
their Regents scores would be higher.

What does this have to do with amateur radio?

Very little. It's like saying that allowing people to get a licence
without a code test will affect their knowledge of RF.

It's not about the code Alun, it's about the effort.

Human nature. What we
learn to do as we practice our avocation early in life, we tend to
apply to other aspects later in life. Still believe this is about a
5-wpm Morse code test?


Yes. No hidden agenda here.

No, there's no hidden agenda. If you take away the passion and whining from
BOTH sides of the equation, it becomes obvious that the code test is really
not the issue. It's the effort. If the writtens were made more difficult and
the published Q&A pools eliminated, the whining would then continue. The
common denominator...the effort involved.

Why must we reduce our beloved hobby/service to the lowest commen
denominator?

Oops, my bad. That should read "common." Gotta pay more attention. hihi

73 de Bert
WA2SI

Like I said before, Alun. It's ok to just agree to disagree. Take care.

73 de Bert
WA2SI