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It just so happens that I don't
like CW, in the sense of I have no desire to use it. That
should be OK too, but for some reason it bothers you.
Why?

No it does not bother me that someone who has learned it
chooses not to use it. They have made that decision from a
position of knowledge and experience. This is radically
different from a person judging it and saying they will
never use it when they do not have that knowledge and
experience to draw on.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

Right on the money, Dee. Larry pointed this out earlier, but
not as eloquently as you.

73 de Bert
WA2SI



It fascinates me that you won't accept someone's plain and
simple truth that they don't like CW--even if they don't have
experience with it--because you reason that they need to have
"knowledge and experience" with it. Well, I know people who
are quite well-versed in CW who don't like it, people who
haven't ever even tried it and don't like it, and people who
have taken and passed a 5wpm test and don't like it. I also
know people from those same three categories that do like CW
operation.

It's pretty much as simple as folks who do or don't like most
other things in life. Either ya like it or ya don't.

Kim W5TIT




I think that you have hit upon a very important point there,
Kim. A good analogy might be not liking an item of food that you
haven't tried, because it looks disgusting on your plate. If
you eat some you might like it, or not, but there are probably
all kinds of other things that contain the same nutrition. These
guys are like a parent telling a child that they have to eat
their brocolli. But they aren't my parents and I don't like
brocolli, or CW. I take vitamins, and work phone.

Slight difference, Alun. Nobody's forcing anybody to learn code.
There exists a no-code Technician license for those who do not
wish to have to pass the 5-wpm code exam.

73 de Bert
WA2SI

Not really true.

Very true, Alun...very true.

No HF privileges with that licence, as we all know.

As with most things in life, increased *privileges* requires
increased effort. The ARS is but a microsm or society as a whole.
Despite the efforts of some to reduce it to "just a hobby" status,
the values and principles we learn in our "avocations" will likely
carry over into the other aspects of our lives. Many here were first
licensed as children or young adults, that's no accident.

The kids of today are referred to as the Nintendo generation, kinda
hard to compete with. However, in our quest to gain quantity, we
appear to be courting a slightly older prospective ham...products of
the newer "I want it now" society. So what can we do, villify the
"speed bump" of our licensing structure in an effort to remove any
"barriers."

If you admit that you view the code test as a "speed bump", then you
are admitting it's not relevant, but just there to slow down the
traffic. You view that as desirable, and I don't, which is one of the
differences between us.

I kinda
liken it to kids that are graduating HS with a 5th, 6th, or 7th
grade reading level. Gee, how'd they get through? Check out the
recent regents debacle. Not enough kids pass, it must be to
hard...so we'll throw 'em a curve. See the cycle there. Had someone
had the courage to NOT throw some of these kids their earlier curves
in the first place, their Regents scores would be higher.

What does this have to do with amateur radio?

Very little. It's like saying that allowing people to get a licence
without a code test will affect their knowledge of RF.

It's not about the code Alun, it's about the effort.

I think the effort would be better placed doing something else.


Human nature. What we
learn to do as we practice our avocation early in life, we tend to
apply to other aspects later in life. Still believe this is about a
5-wpm Morse code test?


Yes. No hidden agenda here.

No, there's no hidden agenda. If you take away the passion and whining
from BOTH sides of the equation, it becomes obvious that the code test
is really not the issue. It's the effort.

It's the misplaced effort

If the writtens were made
more difficult and the published Q&A pools eliminated, the whining
would then continue. The common denominator...the effort involved.


You can chose to beleive that it's about the effort, but it isn't

Why must we reduce our beloved hobby/service to the lowest commen
denominator?

Oops, my bad. That should read "common." Gotta pay more attention.
hihi

73 de Bert
WA2SI

Like I said before, Alun. It's ok to just agree to disagree. Take care.

73 de Bert
WA2SI