In article , "Dee D. Flint"
writes:

"Mike Coslo" wrote in message
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The only thing left is to examine the statement that Steve is
continuing to get his chops busted over:

"Sorry Hans, MARS IS Amateur Radio,"

Strictly speaking, One is not necessarily a member of MARS by virtue of
having an amateur license.

However, if a person was a civilian, they might be hard pressed to be a
member unless they had such a license.

Certainly, the amateur radio operator receiving training in the proper
traffic handling is the purpose of MARS.

So where one might want Steve to add "a part of" between "is" and
"amateur", I would remind everyone that this was in the context of a
reply to our good Hans, who has been known to engage in a bit of
hyperbole his own good self.


Actually based on the material you quoted, Steve's statement, based on the
rules of logic, is correct as it stands.

Based on the "rules of logic" on Fantasy Island, perhaps. :-)

The statement was "MARS is amateur radio."

IFF that were true, then MARS would be defined somewhere in
Title 47 C.F.R. It isn't.

["IFF" is not a typo...it stands for "If and only if"]

IFF that were true, then the Department of Defense would not
have bothered to issue Directive 4650.2. It did and the current
version is dated 21 Nov 03.

However, one must keep in mind
that under the rules of logic, a statement that is true as written, is not
necessarily true in the reverse direction.

Here we go, rationalization to reinforce some brother extra...

In this case, the statement
"MARS is amateur radio" does NOT imply that it is the only element of
amateur radio and does NOT imply anything about the characteristics and
activities of amateur radio. That is to say, one cannot legitimately turn
the statement around to say that "amateur radio is MARS."

Tsk, tsk, tsk...misdirection. No one was "turning a phrase around."

A statement was made that "MARS is amateur radio."

That was it.

That statement is WRONG. MARS is a military radio service.

MARS does have civilian radio amateur volunteers. Despite the
volunteers, MARS is a military radio service. It exists by
military Directive and Regulation. Without those documents,
MARS would disappear but amateur radio would continue.

MARS is a military radio service.

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