William wrote:
Dave Heil wrote in message ...
William wrote:
Dave Heil wrote in message ...
Len Over 21 wrote:
In article , Dave Heil
writes:
Len Over 21 wrote:
In article ,
(Steve
Robeson K4CAP) writes:
Subject: The Game's Afoot!
From: (Len Over 21)
Date: 6/23/2004 12:13 AM Central Standard Time
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You hate Amateur Radio and Amateur Radio licensees. That's blatantly
obvious.
No. Amateur radio is a fine hobby, interesting, a fine recreation
with great technological learning capabilities.
Aside from hearsay or SWLing, how would you know, Leonard?
Heil, you've done that schtick already. It doesn't apply. It
doesn't work. Give up on that ploy.
It isn't schtick and it is no ploy, Leonard.
If some kid, assuming that he is above the age which you believe should
be the minimum for amateur radio licensing, comes to you and says, "What
can you tell me about amateur radio, Mr. Anderson?", the best you'll be
able to do is tell him that you heard from a friend that amateur radio
is....
or that you read in a book that amateur radio is...
You're shucking and jiving, Leonard.
Dave K8MN
Interesting.
I think so.
I think so.
I once said that a prospective ham almost had to know a
ham to become a ham.
I don't recall that.
There's that famous Heil selective memory at work. Next thing you
know you'll forget all about those out of band Frenchmen on 6 meters.
I know this'll come as a real disappointment to you, "William", but I
don't hang on your every word. I have only so much space available for
mental storage and I like to reserve it for the really important
matters.
Then you guys set upon me like the pack of wild
dogs that you are...
Which "you guys" would that be?
PCTA. Know any?
I know several. Are you telling us that everyone who is for morse
testing and who posts here "set upon you like a pack of wild dogs" and
that everyone who is for morse testing and who posts here is a part of a
pack of wild dogs? I don't believe you.
...telling me of acts of heroism...
Acts of heroism? I don't believe you.
Yup. And because they display bravery and heroism in the face of the
old-timey exams and examiners, all who wish to enter the Kingdom must
also face those same exams and examiners.
The above is a perfect example of why I don't hang on your every word.
It isn't factual and is certainly less than memorable.
But since those old-timey
exams and examiners have gone away, all the new hammies are just not
worthy. Common theme throughout R.R.A.P.
Did you figure out that end-fed antenna yet?
how you got the book
and read it and went down to the steely-eyed fcc examiner and became a
ham. No sir! No help from no one.
Novice exams weren't taken in front of any FCC examiner, much less a
stelly-eyed examiner.
Steely-eyed.
K8CFT wasn't steely-eyed at all. SK W8MN sparked
my interest in becoming a ham but he couldn't learn the theory for me
and I'd moved to a different town by the time I began practicing morse
to increase my speed.
So you knew hams prior to being licensed. That fits my story. So
what are you disagreeing with now?
Re-read the exchange above and get back to me.
So Len could tell the kid to get a book.
Oh, he wouldn't likely do that. He'd go into one of his Foghorn Lenhorn
pontifications.
Or he could drag out a box of out of band QSL cards...
Any amateur radio QSLs Len could produce would be either "out of band"
or would belong to someone else.
Which according to your
comment above, a book just isn't going to give sufficient information
to be able to answer questions about amateur radio.
A book can provide information to an extent.
A book can provide everything needed to become an amateur.
No good golfer became one
by reading a book. No good fisherman became one by reading a book.
Would you like to add a few more non-radio related categories to your
list?
No, but I'd like you to take my list as a whole because it illustrates
precisely the idea that I'm attempting to convey.
No good radio op became one by reading a book.
Now you wish to qualify your statement with the word, "good," and
change the subject matter from amateur radio operator to
undifferentiated radio operator.
You can add the word "amateur" before radio and the meaning is still the
same.
You have substantially changed the subject matter. Previously, the
subject was a young, unlicensed person wanted to know about Amateur
Radio. Have it your way.
Actually, you have done so. You have Len suggesting a book. The fact
is, Len has no practical experience in amateur radio.
One can become licensed in amateur radio simply by reading a -single-
book and taking an exam. Unless you are saying that those PCTA's who
told me so are liars.
You're quite right. Someone can pass an exam and become a radio amateur.
Absent practice and experience, that person can be a complete lid.
Practice and experience are the keys.
Of course, now that you've substantially changed the subject.
Not really, Brian. You have Len suggesting a book.
Len has neither.
Above you say, "No good radio op became one by reading a book." You
don't differentiate between amateur radio operators and military radio
operators. Using your changed subject matter, Len has plenty of book
reading, training, practice, and experience. I might add that he also
has formal education in the subject matter.
So Len is a good golfer?
You guys play both ends against the middle, and now that you've worked
down to the middle, your arguments fail because they are
contradictory. Go argue with yourself. You, K8MN, are shucking and
jiving.
I'd say that they appear contradictory to you, "William", because you
don't fully understand them.
Of course. Heil knows all. He is the very definition of Omniscient.
How would you know that unless you are (no cap necessary) omniscient?
And all others are ignorant.
Not at all. I've made no such statement. We have on occasion, found
some areas where you have exhibited ignorance.
"You don't need a former military weatherman to know which way the wind
blows"
Apparently, you do. I'd suggest you stop ****ing in the wind.
One of my favorite country song titles, yet to be recorded:
"If I Had It To Do All Over Again, I'd Do It All Over You".
Dave K8MN