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July 18th 04, 08:27 PM

In article , PAMNO
(N2EY) writes:

By whom?

What "whom?"

Living in the past again, I see....

No. For tomorrow. Been in the past.

Then he shouldn't be making the rules for it...right?

RIGHT! :-)

What did you do back then, Len?

Already told you.

And why are you still living in the past?
1994 was TEN YEARS AGO ;-) ;-)

How perceptive! 2004 - 1994 = 10! Marvelous.

You didn't have to take off your shoes to prove it! :-)

How is it wrong?

Anything said against your opinions is automatically WRONG.

Ho hum.

MOS 281.6 - Microwave Radio Relay Operations and Service
Supervisor plus brevet MOSs of Fixed Station Transmitter
Operations and Service, Carrier Systems Operations and
Service. [the "point-6" in that old MOS numbering is the
indicator of supervisory duties which I had as an E-5 S/Sgt]
1953 to 1956. "Three up and one down" after just 2 1/2
years. Earned.

So? That was your *job*, wasn't it, Len?

Assignment. [get with military nomenclature...]

What's interesting is that you don;t mention that there were more than 700
*other* people at ADA when you were there...

Yes, at Transmitters (Camp Tomlinson), Receivers (Camp Owada),
Control, Tape Relay at Chuo Kogyo (later inside North Camp Drake).

Eugene Rosenbaum was one of the Transmitters assignees. I've
mentioned him before, also SFC Don Ross (Maintenance NCO,
had all commercial and top ham licenses of that time), Capt William
P. Boss, OIC (Officer In Charge) of Transmitters (ham license).
Gene has a ham license, lives in Long Island, NY, he and wife just
got back from a European tour. I don't mention the photographic
detachment either (for about two decades later the photo people
were also categorized as part of Signal Corps). Photo wasn't
involved in radio communications.

So...did you work at all those places or just talk about them?

Yes, I worked IN and AT all those things. Are you the new
security chief of the personnel department? Feel free to write all
those companies and check up. Here's a bird...I flip it to you...

Were you in sole charge, or part of a much larger team?

I never worked in a shoe company, "in charge of soles."

Pbthbthbth...

What company does Rev. Jim work for? Choo-choo factory?

With over 700 people, when you were there. Yet you don't mention the team,
just yourself. Interesting, very interesting.

About 700 in the Batalion at four different sites and with three different
billets. I've RE-mentioned the people I mentioned before; see above.
I've also mentioned Jim Brendage, a civilian engineer (DAC) whom I've
been in contact with much later (retired, lives in CA) plus some USAF
people. USAF took over responsibility of the ADA facilities in 1963 as
part of Army downsizing in Central Honshu. I could mention lots of
others but they don't have the beloved ham license yet continued to
operate and maintain facilities without it or any need for morsemanship.

I find it supremely interesting that you don't know a damn thing about
HF communications other than ham radio and what you are spoon-
fed by QST and the league.

And they manage quite well without you, Len.

That's the way the system is organized. It works.

So?

So sue if ya don't like it. :-)

How is that relevant to amateur radio?

Nothing amateurish about it.

You're not the FCC, Len.

You are not the FCC either. So?

Actually, there are a few hams at FCC, making the rules and recommendations
about those rules.

Not required in their Statement of Work. Didn't you read yours?

More importantly, those folks are professional regulatory people. You're not.

You sure as hell aren't a "professional regulator!" You're just a
wanna-be regulator.

Riiiiiight...keep the beepers in charge of hum raddio...those mighty
macho morsemen keeping the airwaves pristine with the musick of
morse as they did in the old, old days. Archaic Radio Service, the
ARS of yeasteryear! [all rise...]

Sounds like you are jealous, Len.

Sounds like you've got NO sense of humor when you be tweaked.

Poor baby. A wanna-be regulator and can't control your steam.

Just a spectator.

No. One of a team, several teams. Doing work. Making things
happen. Making a bit of money, too.

Just another groundpounder. Heck, even I can use the lingo. But you keep
reliving the past, leaving out the important details.

"Groundpounder?" That's a military term. You never served.

Try not to be a wanna-be sojer too. Not nice.

Let's see...a fella who doesn't know squat about military comms
comes in here all filthy-languaged with sexual inuendo and tells
all "I never did what I said I did." I then describe (again) what I did
and where, both in military work and civilian work and he still calls
it wrong. Now you come in here thinking "you speak the lingo" and
say it was all no good, "living in the past." You don't know squat
about aerospace, Spaceman Spiff. [your cartoon quit a decade
ago]

It is. But you're just a spectator there, too.

Yes. So?

You seem to have lost touch with the issue in here...the creation
reason issue being the retention or elimination of the code test for
an amateur radio license.

You keep trying to misdirect these non-discussions into some
weird "desire" for a ham ticket I'm supposed to have. Such as:

What really burns your bacon is that even with all your alleged professional
experience, the FCC won't act on your recommendations and those of us who
actually *are* radio amateurs won't bow down to you.

INCORRECT. WRONG.

I know the process of legislation and rule-making and accept that.
Everyone gets a chance to comment at the FCC and the FCC has
the near-final regulatory say on U.S. civil radio (courts can rule on
that later but that does not happen often). All must live with the
decisions on civil radio matters, even if they are not individually
acceptible.

That's how it is in a democratic-principle government.

Your allegation of some kind of weird "personal vendetta" is just
that, a weird thing. You can't abide the thought of losing the
morse code test so, therefore, you think that all those trying to
eliminate it are abnormal in some regard. Not so.

What IS abnormal is the stridency of the PCTA in the maintenance
of a code test for a ham license without any regard to the changing
times or the fact that morse code manual telegraphy is going down
the tubes in all of radio communications except amateurism.

You cannot justify modern-day rules based on antiquated reasons
which no longer apply. But, you met those antiquated rules and now
insist that all newcomers meet those rules. Why? I don't know why
you are still so adamant about it, can only speculate.

And despite all your
verbiage, you can't get some of us to respond in kind to your name calling
and other word games.

TS. Someone wants to play nasty with me, I play nastier. No problem.

Been there, done that, lots of times.

How, Len?

How yourself, Kimosabe. Ugh.

By requiring a simple one-time 5 wpm code test?

By requiring ANY rate code test.

You can NO longer justify its existance by "treaty."

You can NO longer justify its usefulness by anything but tired,
trite, old phrases that ceased being applicable decades ago.

All you or your PCTA ilk can "justify" is all the denigration and
name-calling and general negative inuendo you put on those that
want to eliminate the code test. Not nice. But, you "justify" it
by all kinds of tricks and message subject misdirections, by
calling yourself "superior" to others because you met old
standards.

No sweat to me. If the code test stays, then I hang in there
trying to get rid of it. If the code test is eliminated, then I be
satisfied.

Methinks you dost protest too much.

Don't you mean "doth" mistah spear-shaker? :-)