Len Over 21 wrote:

In article , Dave Heil
writes:

Len Over 21 wrote:

In article , Robert Casey
writes:

Len, just get the damm license.

Just for the purpose of settling a very few newsgrope irregulars
who are irritated by controversy? :-)

No, Len, to satisfy your several decades of self-declared interest in
amateur radio and to be able to hold your head up after your "Extra
right out of the box" boast.

I've had an interest in ALL radio for half a century.

Bully for you. Unfortunately, that isn't what you wrote here a numbe of
times.

Worked in lots of different radio services during that time.

What's any of that to amateur radio?

Guess that isn't the same as the oh-so-very-different amateur
radio. You must think amateur radio works by different physics
principles than all other radio?

No, I don't think that at all. The physics of radio is but a small part
of being a radio amateur.

Riiiiiight. Amateur radio is special, very different, not at all like
all other radio, much more superior, much more noble, glorious,
etc., etc., etc.

Don't just read about it, Len. Experience it first hand.

Too difficult for ordinary people.

Nope. Lots of quite ordinary folks obtain amateur radio licenses. If
you mean that you find it too difficult, just say so.

Amateur radio is so much MORE
than all other radio and no ordinary person can measure up to
your superiority and tenure in amateur radio. Nossir. Trying to be
as superior as yourself is a non-starter. Can't be done.

While it is true that time is against your catching up to me in tenure
in amateur radio, I've made no claims to being superior unless you'd
like to count the fact that I'm "in" and you're "out". That's your
problem.

If you want an HF amateur license, it is considered important. You
could always tackle a code free ticket though.

I don't have any interest on getting an HF AMATEUR license.

You've written conflicting posts on that matter.

I've been on HF, both in the military and commercial radio field.
I've been on HF without any amateur license earlier this year,
all very legal.

Am I supposed to care? How does your being on HF in another service
supposed to effect me?

I've never had to learn or use any manual telegraphy in 51 years of
actual communicating on HF.

Then again, you've never held an amateur radio license.

Right! Wow, Heil, you are sure so superior! Amazing.

But wait, there's more! You'd like us to believe that you know best how
amateur radio should be regulated! Isn't that a hoot?

Morse code skill is an anachronism.

Sure it is, Leonard. So is AM. So is SSB. So is baudot RTTY.

Morse code was first used in 1844. No "AM" then, no "SSB,"
no "baudot RTTY." :-)

Nonetheless, those other modes have been around for ages.

I haven't used "baudot RTTY" or even "Baudot TTY" in decades.
Old stuff.

Yeah. That's what I said.

It's been 8-level ASCII TTY coding for over three decades,
olde tymer. 100 WPM equivalent sustained throughput on those
old electromagnetic TTY machines...much faster with electronic
terminals.

Over three decades? Wow, there are hams who haven't been around for
three decades. Who'd want to use that antiquated stuff?

Morse code is 160 years old this year. Well before radio was
ever demonstrated as a communicaitons mediium. It was once
very useful but no longer. It's use is now relegated to helping
self-important, superior amateurs denigrate those who don't care
for slow, manual on-off keying anachronistic communication modes.

Morse is now used daily by many thousands of radio amateurs to
communicate. The denigration you feel is simple self-loathing.

Only amateurs use it with any
regularity and then those are only a few amateurs, a minority.

Only a few amateurs using morse? You're as wrong about that as you were
about Fessenden.

Okay, big superior one, give us the EXACT number of morse users
on the amateur ranks. USING morse regularly.

Sure, Len, just as soon as you provide me an accurate count of termites
in the big mound near the Banyan tree on Siaka Stevens St. in Freetown.

Yes, we all know that you are as good as a hundred or even a thousand
ordinary radio amateurs but that inflation is not allowed for the EXACT
number. Prove your work.

Hop to it on that termite project. If you get it right, you may be able
to get a job with Orkin.

I did it and I'm no good at sort of "motor skill" kind of thing.

Not a good reason for me to waste my time trying to re-enact
the past.

You have to get out more. Thousands and thousands of radio amateurs use
morse in the present.

...and many more than "thousands and thousands of radio amateurs"
are NOT using morse code. So?

So you're in neither group of radio amateurs.


As far as morseodism is concerned, I'm an atheist. I don't
worship at the Church of St. Hiram. Put away your collection
plate and Him books.

I get it. Because you don't find anything in which to believe, the rest
of us aren't supposed to take part for fear of offending you. How very
PC.

Separate church and state, Mother Superior.

"PC?" My Personal Computer works very well, thank you. No license
needed to use it, certainly no morse code skill needed with it. It can
reach around the world wherever there's an Internet connection without
any worry about HF propagation conditions.

Great! You've found your niche. Just you, a computer and some
telephone wires. Have at it!

Dave K8MN