Len Over 21 wrote:
In article , Mike Coslo writes:


The problem here, Mike, is that on more than one occassion Lennie HAS
demanded certain actions (or cessation of actions) from various persons.

Oh yes! Interesting that he is the one to prove his own point. I
probably should have put a smiley after that.


Tsk. Hypocrites seem to forget that others see their hypocrisy,
don't need the "smiley" emoticon since they are laughing at the
absurdity of it all.


You are 100 percent correct. The hypocrites just don't see it.



He didn't get his way, of course, but he does take liberties with the

very

same "rules" he would impose on others...

I have noticed that. There is a certain type that accuses others of
what they are trying to do themselves. He used to accuse me of trying to
be the moderator, and yet becomes very agitated when someone posts
something he disagrees with. Eventually it becomes a tip-off to the
person's motives.


My "motive" in here is to advocate the removal of the code test for
any radio operator license.

I'd be more inclined to call it your rationale. Respectfully submitted
that you may have other motives.



If you must question "motives," then question all those who demand
to keep the code test long after it has served any purpose.

I observe motives, not question them. Have whatever motive you might like.



I wish he'd slack off on the Morse code and give us more of the stories


with the historical aspect.


"You can't handle the truth!" - Col. Jessup (before being arrested)


The U.S. government hasn't "slacked off" on morse code testing since
WRC-03. Test Element 1 is still a test requirement.

yes

My last "operating involvement" with HF radio came earlier this year.

I used a small (some say "tiny") 20 W SSB HF transceiver that
many radio amateurs have purchased for themselves. I was not
operating in any amateur bands.

Was that one of the MFJ units? Did it work well? I've looked at them,
and thought they might be nice for traveling with. Small, and
inexpensive enough that I wouldn't have to worry about damage to it, as
I might my main transceiver.


Radio amateurs whose only exposure to "radio" is in amateurdom
will want to ridicule and denigrate non-amateur radio operation. That's
a psychological survival trait to overcome their own ignorance and
lack of experience.

I always try not to ridicule people. My folks taught me better. Or
tried to! ;^)



Like MOST of his stuff, it's tired, dated and for the most part, not

true.

But it makes him happy to wave it.


Tsk. An illustration of my point by another...



I wouldn't mind actually hearing more details of that time, without the


to me strange comparisons to Morse code users of today. I've read parts
of his experience, but I imagine there are interesting details.


In this environment such is wasted effort.

Not really. I am an insatiable collector of such stories. And most
people are happy to share. some seem surprised because many new Hams
don't care about hearing about past exploits of others.


There is a considerable body of knowledge and history compiled about
all of radio. Very little of it concerns amateur radio, which makes some
of the amateur radio lifestylers very angry. Those lifestylers were never
in that part of the radio world and want to shut their eyes and ears to it.

I enjoy "non ARS" stories too. We have an Old timer in the local club
that had a career as an Engineer at a television station. Lots of good
stories about the stuff that went on there. He was happy to talk, and I
was happy to listen.


Kinda makes you think that is about all they have to offer.


PCTA extras can only offer braggadoccio about their "operating
skills" and their disgust at those who don't venerate them.


Well, I'm not too bad of a contester, but my CW skills frankly suck.
Mostly I hang out on PSK31, where I'm a fair typist.


Seriously, has Lenover21 or William ever called anyone in here names,
or made derogatory "baby talk" or whatever kind of talk it is; or
otherwise denigrated others?

Oh..... yes.......I guess they have...


Only after prolonged exposure to those who yell and yell against
all those who don't agree with them.

When I came here there was name calling. There still is name calling.
Maybe its a chicken and egg sort of thing. I don't know when it started,
or who started it. I'm not all that concerned about who started it
either. There's always time to start over.

If the participants want to.


Unfortunately, the PCTA extras in here are so thin-skinned they
cannot abide opposition of the slightest kind. Their problem.

It is a broad brush you paint with.

The question (in my opinion) that should be surfacing is: Why is
there such a prolonged talk about "how good and noble" are the
PCTA extras and "how band and wrong" are the NCTA?

That question might be honed to include the personalities involved.


Time marches on, but few march to the beat of the CQ in morse
these days.

Agreed. Most of them are Hams.

The morse code test has long since outlived its
usefulness. There is NO validity in keeping it around just because
some middle-aged wannabes had to do it over 30 years ago. None
at all.

If it goes away, I won't lose a moments sleep over it.

Hold on a second!! what's wrong with middle aged wallabies? I think
they are kinda cute!

- Mike KB3EIA -