N2EY wrote:
In article ,
(Len Over 21) writes:
In article , PAMNO
(N2EY) writes:
all that learned talk of economics, socio-political whatsit out...
This all relates to amateur radio in a very basic way:
Unfortunately, it does NOT.
Yes it does! ;-)
All it points out is that you are using
this newsgroup as a general chat room to talk about ANY subject
instead of focussing on amateur radio policy.
I think you don't like the fact that it does relate.
In the end, Who cares? It is our newsgroup, and if you and I want to
talk about politics or an obscure Kert Vonnegut story, or if Bria wants
to talk about the boy scouts, or if Len wants to talk about sphinctors,
then "it's all good, man". I like the little side trips. It allows us to
get to know each other better.
The abuses mentioned by Steve and I are all the result of a mindset that
focuses on "rights" to the exclusion of *responsibilites*. Many of us see
proposed reductions in the standards of the ARS as a form of that mindset.
Many of "you" want to enforce your personal desires on everyone
else
You mean by supporting continued code testing for an amateur radio license?
If so, then what's the problem? Your demands that the code test be removed mean
that *you* "want to enforce your personal desires on everyone else"
and think "you" are some kind of Keepers of a Covenant (of
some imagined god-inspired "service").
Not at all, Len. We simply think that dropping the code test would be a
lowering of standards.
Is there something wrong with that?
All because you met some
test requirements long ago, established by other Keepers of an even
older Covenant and are firm Believers in the Church of St. Hiram.
You sure do pontificate on other's motivations.
Every time that Len speaks od Saint Hiram, it reminds me of the old
cartoon Fearless Fly. Mild mannered Hiram Fly was his alter ego.
Why all the fuss over a fly? 8^)
As usual, you olde-tymers are caught in the territorial imperative
emotionalism of a personal activity and want to enforce your
personal mindsets on all others.
What's your suggestion, Len?
Should amateur radio become like cb? You were a cber, once. You said it was a
lot of fun. Are you still a cber? Or did that service stop being fun for you?
You've told us about your home and how much it is worth and how close you are
to a gated community of homes costing much more.
Which is odd considering the rest of us aren't supposed to talk about
off topic matters!
Would you like it if someone
wanted to change the zoning in ways that might make your property less
valuable, reduce your enjoyment of it, etc.? I bet you would be caught in a
territorial imperative emotionalism of a personal activity and want to enforce
your
personal mindset on others.
Not a good thing since the FCC
is not chartered by law to be a reflection on "your" personal desires
nor in the maintenance of a living museum of amateur radio antiquity.
That's *your* mindset speaking
Insofar as radio regulations go, the "ARS" does not stand for
Archaic Radiotelegrphy Service.
Then why do you use the term?
Removal of the morse test does
NOT "dumb anything down"
That's not what I wrote.
I wrote that it would lower the standards. And it would.
Bingo! From my limited observations, the testing regimen as it exists
today is not dumbed down from what it used to be. Every once in a while
someone trots out an old test question that leaves a lot of us stumped.
But it's just different, not harder.
But to argue that elimination of Element one is not lowering the
standards is just plain wrong. Doesn't matter if you think it is the
right thing to do or not, it is most assureadly lowering the standards.
And I don't think lowering standards is ever the right thing to do.
Besides, amateurs *do* use Morse Code extensively. Therefore, it makes sense
for a test of basic Morse Code skill to be part of license qualifications.
It's really that simple.
but rather makes the amateur hobby
more open,
In case you didn't notice, Len, there's been a no-code-test class of amateur
radio license here in the USA for almost 14 years.
And....... How many of those people that took the no-code tests just
allow thier licenses to expire?
The no-code license allows priveliges in most of the amateur
allocations. HF is just a small part of our portion of the spectrum.
freeing it from all the tight confines of an imagined
"amateur profession" with all the rigid, inflexible standards and
practices that date back to seven decades ago.
Where do you get that, Len? Do you think hams stopped using Morse Code seven
decades ago? You're wrong about that.
"You" don't own anything but your own radio equipment in amateur
radio.
Never claimed to. But that's more than you own ;-)
What I and other amateurs *do* have is something to lose. If changes in the
rules mess up amateur radio, then we have lost something. Do you think we
don't have the right to preserve what we think is valuable?
And now we just may be approaching motive?
"You" do not have any "power" to prevent non-amateurs from
communicating with their government on federal laws and regulations.
That's right. Nor has anyone I know of tried to do that. You can spam ECFS all
you want, Len. That's the right of *every* interested party.
OTOH, I'm not the one telling others to "shut the hell up, you little USMC
feldwebel". You are.
Or to insert things in some sort of I/O port; or to engage in self
fornication.
"You" olde-tymers have no claim over others on "rights" or anything
else.
What does that mean? Are you telling me to shut up?
Try to conduct yourself appropriately when faced with reality.
Whose "reality", Len? You mean your opinions and mindset, that you want to
impose on everyone else?
Here's a clue: *Everyone* has a right to their opinions. And a right to express
their opinions. That means you - and me. That means folks who are oldtimers and
newcomers, "servers" and "nonservers", licensed and not licensed, etc.
Right on down to th ehumblest little Feldwebel and hocky puck. ;^)
- Mike KB3EIA -