"Frank Gilliland" wrote in message
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Because through this newsgroup an anti-illegal position can be promoted
which
can directly influence the band. The concept is universal and it works;
whether
you call it social reinforcement, peer-pressure, or simply setting a good
example, it's one way that responsible CBers can improve the situation.

Understood. But through constant "bickering"? By all means, I can see and
respect that you and your fellow compadres are actively taking part in
trying to "take up arms" (per say) in reminding others about the legalities
of radio. But through this newsgroup, people wants information about RADIO!
Not Part 97 of the FCC Regulations. If "they" want to commit " radio
piracy", then that's "their" choice. Of course, your choice is to prevent
that... but that is your choice too. But constant arguments is not going to
influence anything but chase the newcomer away... and this newsgroup will
not fulfill its intended purpose. CB radio information.


Nobody said it does, a point you seemed to have missed for the past
several
years. What it DOES constitute is the -encouragement- for people to break
those
laws by making the act much easier to accomplish. There are at least two
different ways this 'information' makes lawbreaking easier:

Franklin... whether this makes any sense, the internet's expanse is too
infinte to try to stop anyone(s) hunger for information. Whether they get
their information from here or not, there is too many websites that
information can be attained from. You or your counterparts cannot stop
that. Even if you try to throw in a little bit of the regulations in a
thread, info seekers will just move on and find other forums to get the info
needed.


First, and most obvious, is that the information eliminates the need for
the
prospective lawbreakers to learn the technology, allowing them to take a
criminal approach -- the 'quick and easy path' -- to accomplish their
goals. I
sincerely believe that if such information wasn't freely available, many
more of
these people would either educate themselves enough to turn their interest
in
radio into a legitimate hobby (or even a profession), or find it too
difficult
and abandon radio piracy in favor of more rewarding and responsible goals.

This may sound bad, but CB radio will not influence anyone to accomplish any
goals. It is a hobby. It is not a lifestyle. One thing is for certain...
society as a whole doesn't need anyone from Louisiana, Washington State,
Ohio, New York or Philadelphia to tell it what it can do and what it can't.
Society is self-educated. It's the way it is. And trying to "STOP" that
"freely available" information is like "...trying to pour the ocean into a
hole dug into the beach sand with a cup."


The other way is from the attitude that these laws are trivial. Technical
information on how to break the law with CB radio is usually provided
without
any warning that its application may cause interference to CBers and
non-CBers
alike, and most of the time it's not said that its use can be illegal. On
the
contrary, some even go so far as to play lawyer, informing people that
federal
communcation laws are "only rules" to be ignored. Then there are those
that
would have people believe the fantastic, such as that CB operation is
impossible
without illegal modifications or equipment, or that overmodulation is a
good
thing, or even that RF power is the end-all-beat-all of human existence.
This
only encourages illegal radio, and does absolutely nothing to improve the
band
or the newsgroup. And it certainly doesn't help the fence-sitting CBer to
make a
decision that's not only responsible to himself (and perhaps to the
financial
security of his family should the FCC slap him with the typical
multi-thousand
dollar fine), but responsible to all the other CBers that will be
negatively
impacted by his selfishness.

I cannot challenge this. You are absolutely right. But... do you think
that this will "scare" seasoned CBer's and newcomers? If people want to
test their chances? They will most likely will. Not to bring up a moot and
previously discussed topic but does "speeding" ring a bell?


So discuss all you want. But when someone else brings up important topics
that
are ignored in those conversations, just remember that by attempting to
supress
those topics you are demonstrating your contempt for the Constitutional
right to
free speech, the very right you embrace while discussing radio piracy.

Free Speech is Free Speech... but COME ON! This **** is OLD! Even in
technical threads that have nothing to do with radio piracy ends up becoming
a "thread" not "discussion" of LEGALITIES. If I wanted a Forum mommy, I
would asked for one...

..
That's like saying that we should all just lay down and die now because we
are
all going to die eventually. Well, feel free to do so, but I have other
plans.

YES! Please die. I don't care about your plans... just DIE already!


Contrary to your opinion, things do change. Sometimes they change for the
better
and sometimes for the worse, but they do change. Some people would rather
promote apathy and use the "if you can't beat 'em, join 'em" excuse for
their
lack of responsibility. Some, such as myself, would rather take an active
hand
in changing things for the better. Because if everybody gives up and
starts
doing whatever they please without conscience or restraint, the whole
thing
falls apart into anarchy and the FCC drops the band -- not my idea of a
bright
future for CB radio.

As previously stated, CB radio is a hobby. Not a lifestyle. If CB radio is
your "bread and butter", you might want to rethink your future. It's
looking a little dim. Since its beginnings, when has CB radio "not" been in
anarchy?


Quite a bit has changed. Anti-legal CBers such as yourself no longer
control the newsgroup.

WHAT? How dare you assume such? Because I look for skip on SSB makes me a
"baby-killer" now? I could give a rats-ass about who controls the NG. I am
here for technical conversations with like-minded individuals in a hobby
that I enjoy. Maybe getting a HAM ticket is not my cup of tea. I could
give a **** about change either. Again, I am here for technical
conversations with like-minded individuals in a hobby that I enjoy.
Sheesh...


Most have learned that everyone here has an equal voice, that our
voices can't be 'stepped-on', 'keyed-over', or otherwise supressed the way
they
are on the radio. And loss of control over the airwaves by illegals isn't
far
behind: Radio direction finding technology also falls under the 'freedom
of
speech' umbrella, and their popularity is growing by leaps and bounds.
More and
more CBers are learning that they can self-police their band just like the
hams,
and many have learned that it can be fun at the same time. And because
illegal
CBers are operating with more power, less responsibility, and dirtier
radios
than ever before, the task isn't very difficult. Things have changed, and
will
continue to change whether you like it or not.

I may disappear... but things will never change, Believe what you may, but
no one ever dies... they just multiply.


Do whatever you feel you need to do. So will we.

I knew you were gonna say that... have a good day.