i just wonder how they got a patent on that with all the previous published
information on making one. heck that was even published in qst some years
ago, i believe it was an april issue...

"Dave VanHorn" wrote in message
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Ahhh yas!
The old "beer can vertical"!
The drunker you get, the lower the resonant frequency!
73
H.
NQ5H

Maybe that explains what I hear on the lower bands these days...