"Brian Oakley" wrote in message
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"Honus" wrote in message
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"Brian Oakley" wrote in message
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"Honus" wrote in message


Your failure is duly noted.

And certainly not unexpected.

So just because someone doesn't do exactly as you dictate, its
failure.

Boy, you -are- a theist, aren't you? Classic, in fact. Twist and shout.

I know you mean that as a derogatory remark, but its far from that. If you
knew what theist meant, you would find a different word to use.

I know exactly what it means, and yes...I use it in a derogatory sense.

see. Lets all bow down to the person that screams the loudest. That's
a
good
way to win an argument. Just call them a failure for lack of anything
YOU
could post to the contrary?

sigh Patrick made the positive assertion. Therefore, it's up to him to
provide support for his assertion. What are you, twelve? This stuff is
all
so basic.

No not up to him. He can say and do what he wants. He doesnt have to prove
anything. This is a free country. If youre that concerned with proof, go
find it yourself. You wouldnt ask your employer to prove something to you
when he makes a statements. Because hed fire you. You would go look it up
yourself, hipocryte. So basic huh?

Hypocryte? Pot, kettle, black. And this isn't an employee/employer
relationship here. He made an insulting claim, and can't back it up. It's
over. You lose.

Now lets put the shoe on the other foot. You
asked him for proof.

Are you willing to back up your allegation that there
are NOT any on the ng that would rejoice at the death of a real
Christian?

I made no such allegation, theist. Show me where I did, or retract the
statement. You think you know where I was headed with Al; you're wrong.
Hell, boy...there are probably Christians around here that rejoice at
the
death of a real Christian. By the way...your use of that term frightens
me.
People that think like that are dangerous. "Real" Christians? You ought
to
know the dangers of that kind of thinking.

Sure you did. You did so in a reverse manner in asking Al to prove that
there were folks here that felt that way.

I'll repeat myself: "You think you know where I was headed with Al; you're
wrong."

For what it's worth, though, I don't think he could do it anyway. It was
more theistic hand-wringing, a display of the Christian persecution complex,
and he got called on it.


Your wanting proof only shows a
wanting to silence anyone anytime you want them to be silenced.

This is Usenet; I can't silence anyone. On top of that, I don't want to
silence him. You're being awfully judgemental. Isn't that a no-no for you?
Apparently not. Hypocryte. (sic)

Thats
hogwash. Its obvious you dont know what Im talking about when I say real
Christians so I wouldnt pretend if I were you.

And if you can't see the dangers inherent in a group of people deciding who
are "real christians" and who aren't, then you're a hopeless fool and I have
no use for you.

Statistics show that through the centuries, there are more that do
rejoice
at the death of Christians than there are of those that don't. That is
an
obvious historical fact, no one even has to look that up.

That's a good thing, because it -can't- be looked up. Statistics?
Please.

Go read a history book. Go read the Sudanese newspapers. Do it yourself
you
lazy lout.

Ah, name calling. Nice. I like that. Incidents in the Sudan today have
little to do with your assertion, by the way. "Statistics show that through
the centuries," is what you said. There are no statistics like that for me
to look up. It's more of that persecution complex.

There are plenty that rejoice at the deaths of Christians, and there
always
has been. They're are plenty that rejoice at the deaths of atheists, and
there always has been. There are always going to be people that rejoice
at
the death of someone that they see as being on the other side. Your
assertion that more people rejoice at the deaths of Christians than
don't
is
hyperbole. It's not an obvious historical fact, and you need to take a
long
hard look at the history of your faith before you start making remarks
like
that.

Again, go read a history book. Christians are the most persecuted people
in
the world.

That may be the case today; I don't know. I think that'd be pretty hard to
quantify. There's also a difference between history and today; your sentence
incorrectly conflates the two. As for being true throughout history, you may
be selling but I'm not buying. And I mustn't forget to add that Christians
have brought it on themselves. There's a reason why they're persecuted; you
guys have a lot of making up to do.

And seek some help with persecution complex of yours.

Dont have a complex sir. I see adhominim attacks are all you know how to
do.

Another misstatement, since the only thing that I can recall that could even
remotely be characterized as ad hominen was my sneering use of the word
"theist", and since it's an accurate use of the word your whine about ad
hominism doesn't really apply. By the way...if ad hominem is wrong, and you
obviously think it is and that I'm engaging in it, why are you engaging in
it as well? Because you're not perfect, just forgiven?

Go to debate school. Might learn something about free speech while youre
there as well.

I can assure you, with the utmost sincerity, that I am certain I know more
about free speech than you -think- you know. Unlike you, I've been known to
look at books other than the Bible. And as for going to debate school, you
must think you're doing pretty good here, huh?