Dave Heil wrote:
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Dave Heil wrote:
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From: Dave Heil who, blabbering away on an obvious Troll
topic, scribbled on Thurs, Mar 10 2005 12:14 am:
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Dave Heil wrote:
You forget his comments to FCC about things like an age
requirement....
He wishes I'd forget about his comments on the minimum age
requirement for radio amateurs.
Tsk. So hard up for Personal Attack subjects that
you pick something from my Comment to the FCC made
SIX YEARS AGO? Wasn't done in here first...
Why is it a "Personal Attack" to disagree with your comments,
Len?
It is also a personal attack when you quote something Len has
written.
It seems that anyhting other than complete agreement is
considered a "Personal Attack" by Len.
...and personal attacks by Len are just his way of debating the
issues, heh heh.
That pretty much sums it up, along with the four behaviors listed
on that website.
Okay, I'll wait until you stop cheering for all the
"mature, responsible" six-year-olds featured on the
ARRL news as "world's youngest hams?" Riiiiight...
mature and responsible ALL BY THEMSELVES! :-)
You would forbid people more than twice as old from
getting an amateur
license, Len. Without any evidence.
Len's posts on the subject indicate that he has problems
with children
having done something which he himself has not attained.
Len has admitted he has a problem including children in
what he considers an "adult" activity.
Good thing for guys like us that no such rule has ever
been seen as
necessary by the FCC.
Ever read the book "Radio Rescue"? True story:
Back in the early 1920s, a young boy in New York City became
the youngest ham in the country, being licensed at 10 or 11
years of age. He and his ham station were instrumental in
emergency communications during a Florida hurricane - all before
he was 14.
Len would have forbid him from getting a license.
Finland once had a rule where
no one under 15
could obtain a license. They've since done away with it.
Canada too, IIRC.
btw, when cb required a license, there was an age requirement.
I think it was 18, but it could have been 15 - I'm not 100% sure
because I was never involved in cb. Yet that age requirement didn't
help cb's problems...
Perhaps Len wants amateur radio to be more like cb...
How about the 9-year-old "extra?" A "mature,
responsible, law-abiding" pre-teener? :-)
Yes.
Riiiiight...ALL of them wouldn't think of operating
without parental supervision, would they? Uh-huh.
Why should they need parental supervision to operate? FCC,
the expert agency on US civil radio regulation, thinks they're
qualified.
My parents didn't supervise me or need to supervise me when I
operated
as a fourteen-year-old Novice. Did your parents ever
supervise you, Jim?
Not in my amateur radio operations. I was licensed at age 13, and
was
the first amateur radio operator in my family.
But I was "in radio" a lot earlier, building receivers and such.
In fact, the way I learned Morse Code was to build a simple
receiver and code-practice oscillator from scavenged parts, and
listen to hams use it on the air. Also sending with the oscillator
and
key. My Elmers were books.
And that worked for you. I learned the code in the Boy Scouts and
simply brushed up over several weeks. I was lucky enough to have
mentors in two different towns. I moved before W8MN could administer
the exam. W8MN arranged an introduction to two local Novices and the
fellow who ran the local TV sales and service shop in my new town.
Buzz
Collins K8CFT then administered my Novice exam.
Too cool!
Back in 1948, a 9-year-old local girl passed the Class B
exam. In front of the FCC examiner.
Still licensed and active, too.
You're writing of the late Jesse Bieberman's daughter?
Yes. W3KT is a legend in these parts. I met him a few times,
and the reputation is deserved.
I knew W3KT and thought he was a super gent.
Yep.
Tsk. I've never pursued the matter with the FCC
since 1999 but it seems some in here just can't let
it go.
Why should they? You have not admitted that age
requirements for a ham
license are a bad idea.
He issued the comments to the Commission.
He never followed it up with
a retraction if he changed his mind.
All indications (even those in
this recent post) are that Len stills believes
that licensing children
is a bad thing.
Agreed. Perhaps we should quote that post....
...and I note that you have done so. What about his comments to the
FCC
regarding a minimum age for amateur radio licensing? Can you come up
with them?
Anyone can. Just go to fcc.gov, search ECFS, using as criteria Len's
name and the proceeding number.
Of course it's a scan of a *paper* submission, because Len couldn't
figure out how to get ECFS to work for him back
then.
Most of the dozen-plus pages are a diatribe against Mike
Deignan, which is interesting because Mike turned out to
be a no-code-test person in his comments to FCC.
The age thing is last in the document.
It is curious that Len's comments were filed after the comment
period but before the end of the reply comment period. That and
the use of paper made it practically impossible for anyone to file
reply comments to Len's filing before the deadline.
They MUST bring it up again, time and time
again as if this is the most hideous of gaffes,
practically a felonious act against the noble, law-
fearing amateurs who never, ever do anything wrong.
I don't see it as the most hideous of gaffes, just one in a
long string of gaffes.
Just a bad idea.
Let us also not forget that Len accused the VEs and ARRL of "very
mild
fraud" in connection with some preschoolers being licensed. He
appears
to claim that no child that young could possibly pass the tests.
Yet he
does not know any of the people involved.
That isn't news though. Len has made a number of accusations about
the
ARRL being dishonest. He never back any of them up with a single
fact.
"Never defend your positions"....
73 de Jim, N2EY