Dee Flint wrote:
"bb" wrote in message
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Dave Heil wrote:
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Dave Heil wrote:

Dee Flint wrote:

"Dan/W4NTI" wrote in message
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Why do I contest? To improve my score by improving my station and
myself.

Its as simple as that.

Have a good day

PS; I worked a bunch of sporadic skip yesterday on six meters in the
June
VHF contest.....with 8 watts and a 3 ele yagi at 20'.

It's all a matter of perspective.

Dan/W4NTI




I and the OM also worked some of the VHF contest and noticed a very
strange
thing. Only 10% of the contacts that we made were Technician
operators. On
the other hand, 80% of them were Extra class operators. So where are
all
the Techs who are "trapped" in VHF and above because they "can't" pass
the
code (as some would have us believe)?

Oh, they're still trapped on VHF, Dee. Most of 'em are so trapped that
they know only one mode--FM and do all of their operating via
repeaters.

What a wunnerful attitude you have toward Techs, Oh Mighty DXer. And
people have to ask who chased away the Techs. I guess the only time
you would embrace a Tech is if he were calling you out of band on 6M.
Hi!

I don't embrace radio amateurs at all, "bb". A firm handshake is good
enough for me.

That's not what the French do. They kiss you on both cheeks,
especially for handing out contacts and QSL cards for out of band
contacts.

My attitude toward many of the current crop of new techs is one bathed
upon five years observation, since returning to the U.S. I haven't
chased them anywhere. In fact, it has been just the opposite. I've
tried to encourage them to use simplex on FM. I've tried to encourage
them to try 6 meters along with 432 and 144 MHz SSB and CW. I can't be
faulted that they don't act after being encouraged. If these folks are,
in fact "trapped" in a world of 2m only FM repeater operation, they have
fashioned the trap themselves by not being more curious about the rest
of VHF/UHF amateur radio. There are avenues open to them but they
aren't participating.

Dave K8MN

A penny for your thoughts.

Maybe they are on FM yet not trapped at all. Maybe if you let Dee and
Dan finish their thoughts on why they think the Techs are trapped we
would have something worth discussing.


I have never said that they were trapped. It happens to be a belief
expressed by some of the anti-code test people that they are trapped above
30mhz. I've always contended that any such trap is one of their own
perception.

That explains why you've put quotes around the word "trapped" in your
description of those Techs.

My opinion (that means it's my opinion and I don't have to spend weeks
at the Library of Congress to back up anything that I might say or
forever be known as a liar and/or a gay man) is that those who joined
for emergency communications purposes are perfectly happy with FM, and
do not consider themselves as "trapped." All the "encouragement" in
the world doesn't change their perspective. They're getting what they
want out of amateur radio. What they don't need is to be denigrated by
the Extras that think they need to do more to be a "real" ham.


I do not denigrate any one based on their license class. For those who are
getting all they want out of VHF FM, I am happy for them. But I have no
patience for those who want additional privileges without passing whatever
is the license requirement of the day. I know a couple of Techs who have
been waiting to get a General until the code test is removed but they have
been waiting for ten years. Wasting 10 years is foolish.

Lack of patience and describing them as foolish does indicate your
feelings for them. Waiting is worth it to them or they wouldn't do it.
Is it so hard for you to consider that they really, really don't want
to learn THE code?