Can you blame them for not wanting comment.

Bet that only fills their mailbox with those expecting special
treatment, action for historical reasons, and a demand for them to be
observant of the writers wants and desires!

John

"an_old_friend" wrote in message
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K4YZ wrote:
an_old_friend wrote:
K4YZ wrote:
wrote:
Observations:

- Although the majority of individuals who commented on the
18
proposals supported code testing, FCC proposes to completely
eliminate it.

Amazing, isn't it?

why that is the way the system is set up

why are you amazed it is being followed

It's not being followed if the public says "A" and the
government
does "B".

yes it is the public is allowed coment, not control

the system as I understand it at one time did not even allow coment
by
the public


this is not a democratic govt but a republican one

They ask for public opinion then say "We'll do what we want
anyway..."

they have to ask for it

so they do

you can't make listen to it

Sure you can.

not realy you can try


gorw up and learn how the world works

Why don't you, Deviant Boy?

I have. I know how it works. you don't

- There were a lot of ideas in the 18 proposals other than
the code
test. FCC simply denied all suggestions for change *except*
dumping
Element 1. Free upgrades for Advanceds and Novices? New entry
level
classes? More HF bandspace/modes for Novices and Tech Pluses?
"No" to
all of them.

They said it in 98...They want to reduce all
administrative burden
to an absolute minimum...

The fewer regulations there are on the books, the less
enforcement
they have to do. I am surprised they haven't tried to
"outsource"
their enforcement duties.

I do hear rumous they have looked into that

Uh huh.

Rumors.

even in agreeing with you can't be polite


Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

- The changes of 2000 brought a lot of upgrades and some
short-term
growth, but now the number of individuals with unexpired US
ham
licenses is almost 10,000 below what it was in May of 2000.
Nor has
there been any sort of "techno-revolution" from the
reductions in code
testing.


Predictions:

- There will be a lot of debate and commentary. But in the
end FCC will
just dump Element 1 and make no other changes.

I'm still holding out for 5WPM for Extra, but prudence says
you're
right.

a few sign of light stevie


- There will be a lot of upgrades and a short-term peak in
licenses.
But not long term growth.

There never has been, there never will be. Reducing
testing,
either the number of written test or the 13/20WPM Code tests,
has not
done a thing to move the service forward.

esp with attitudes like your it will be hard

It's not MY attitude that needs to be dealt with, Markie.

it certainly is

as you diatribe against Kim clearly shows


It's the attitudes of the people who keep making these
assinine
assertions about how this change or that change is going to be the
salvation of the Amateur Radio service.

Nobody is saying that only the oponents of change are saying someone
is
saying it

It will certainly help but you may yet manage to help kill the ars
stevie

I hope you will then be happy but I doubt it

you likely will find some way in your head of blaming me personaly


The FCC has said it so many times now they even believe thier
own
rhetoric and repeat it in this NPRM.

You saying the FCC was lying when it said it found no reason for
code
testing besides the treaty. It found none, none have been advanced
that
meet the laugh test, and now they are lowing the boom on your
egomania


- The HF/MF bands will not be overrun with more activity.

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.....For a while there will be...All those
new
"Generals" will plop down some bucks on HF stations, work some
DX, then
go back to whining about how tough it is to get to Extra.

yea right

It happened with "Novice Enhancement"

wouldn't know, but I doubt it



It happened with the introduction of the NCT.

not likely, it almost can't have


It happened with the last Restructuring round.

nope I was there


What makes Deviant Markie even the least bit doubtful that it
won't happen THIS time?

looking at reality


grow up and drink your sour grapes

What sour grapes?

yours
the sour grapes you ares pilling all over the group


It happened. Three times.

I know better on at least one of those case



- There will not be a "revolution" in technology used by hams
brought
by the new folks.

They've had their chance since 1991 to do that if they
wanted.

if they wanted?

If they wanted, Markie.

right you are lazy and let other do your work for you


W H E R E are all the "engineering types that the NCT was
supposed to bring into Amateur Radio?

Stevie can't coment on the claims made by those before NCT but I
have
seen your (lack of) track record for honesty and do not accept your
accessment

beside it is clear you did not do YOUR part in bring that about


what have you done to advance the radio in your time as a ham

A lot more than you, Markie. Starting with being an Elmer and
a
VE. Add to that ARES, MARS, etc etc etc

realy lets see I am not aloowed to be a VE done ares stuff, not done
anything with Mars. I elmer (even elmer generals and extras in
digital
modes)

but all that is operating. what have you done to advance radio?



I have tried to add a mode or band or something each year to my
operating

I have not made it (was just too busy moving and building) but I
try

you just want to sit back and let "Them" carry the freight

There's that "carry the freight" line again.

yes becuase it is true you want everyone else to work while you rest
on
your laurels


Still not applicable, but at least you spelled "freight" right
this time.

yep it is

you still have not advanced any occasion when you have even tried
something new on the air


- The focus will shift to a debate about widening the 'phone
subbands
or even having no mode subbands at all.

As I was saying in another thread...!

been around as long as I have been likely longer

No doubt.

Steve, K4YZ