From: Mike Coslo on Jul 22, 4:01 pm

wrote:
From: Michael Coslo on Fri 22 Jul 2005 13:37
K4YZ wrote:
Jayson Davis wrote:


And a strange line of thought Jayson uses. Kind of like we're supposed
to say:

"Ham Radio - we don't suck now!"

That would be a REALISTIC beginning... :-)

Oh, Michael, we've all seen the "crowd" represented by K4YZ. :-)

Steve represents mostly himself. I've seen a lot of people who
represent a lot of things.

Ahhhh...but to merely disagree with K4YZ is to HATE HAM RADIO!

Ergo, he IS ham radio! :-)


To Jayson:

Then why the heck do you want us to advertise that the Morse test is gone.

Not the YOU "us," Michael. The ARRL badly needs new membership.
They've never had as many as a quarter of all U.S. amateur
radio licensees as members and are currently down around just
20% of licensees.

ARR?

I wrote "ARRL" sweetums...and it comes back as "ARRL."


ARRL is more business than organization and
the business side of the house has to show a profit.

I wonder why so many people who hate Ham radio seem to know exactly how
Ham radio is supposed to be?

Why are you sounding insecure? The FCC defines U.S. amateur
radio. You don't define U.S. amateur radio.

Insecure? So are the others who *know* how it is to be defined also
insecure?

Tsk. Don't try that ploy. THE FCC DEFINES AMATEUR RADIO
IN THE UNITED STATES. Period. They grant the licenses for
same.

Others merely INTERPRET what THEY THINK it is about.


You are sounding EXACTLY like the "superior OTs" you decry in
another message...like everyone MUST accept what YOU accept
as a definition. Tsk.

Tsk indeed. My question is a simple one. Its a rough equivalent of the
US basing our economic policy on what a group of olde tyme Russian
communists think it should be. They didn't like us much at all. I bet
they had some "good ideas" on how we should run things though...

"Russian communists" have NOTHING to do with this NPRM.

Try to stay focussed.


"Bright people wanting to experiment" aren't going to fall in love
with a radio service demanding all below-30-MHz-privileged
individuals demonstrate telegraphy skills...especially when
that skill goes back 161 years! :-)

Lots of bright students don't want to learn anything that they don't
think is relevant.

Har! That's one of the WEAKEST arguments mumbled by so many.

The FCC is NOT an academic institution and licensees are NOT
"students"...NOT even prospective licensees going for a test.

Actually, that "argument" is total bull**** OUT of the academic
arena. ALL the OTHER radio services (except maritime radio on
the Great Lakes) have GIVEN UP on morse code for communications.
It simply hasn't proven to be "better" than other modes, takes
longer, and no longer "gets through" better.

All you are doing with that "argument" is really enforcing a
sort of tribal myth, aka a "hazing" ritual. Note: The FCC
isn't a fraternity house either.


BTW, isn't there a slight contradiction between wanting to attract
large number of people, and wanting to attract the bright and intelligent?

How does a requirement of knowing 161-year-old morsemanship
skill attract the "bright and intelligent?" :-)

non sequitur. I wasn't writing of Morse code.

Hello? See that Subject Line up on the Header? This whole thread
is about the NPRM in WT Docket 05-235...which is about DROPPING
the MORSE CODE TEST.

I really do NOT know what YOU are writing about...some of the time.


Yet all they whine about is the code test and that 3% of the
allocations that do require a code test.

Why?

Those type hate Hams. Maybe that isn't gospel truth, but its close enough.

Poor babies...feeling "hated" are you both?

Everyone is hated by someone. If a person allows themselves to be
bothered by it, they are a poor baby indeed.

No, sweetums, YOU got the non-sequitur. Note what I said about
K4YZ: Anyone simply disagreeing with him is ACCUSED to be
HATING HAM RADIO! Search all you want through Google and you
will find him using that "phrase of hate." Do YOU want to be
like him?

Feeling "hated" because so few agree with your self-proclaimed
"definitions" of What It Is All About?

If 50 million people believe a foolish thing is true, it remains a
foolish thing.

"50 million people in WHAT?" Where are you dreaming today?

Hello? Concentrate on the thread subject.


Yes, it's all a big conspiracy. All those who disagree with you
two HATE YOU! Not only that, THEY HATE HAM RADIO...because you
two define yourself as "ham radio!" [you two have the conspiracy
thing all in a row, lined up...in your minds]

Easy there, don't get the B.P. up!

Are you now a "nurse?" My "beep" is as close to 120 over 80 as an
adult male can get.

Tsk, Michael, your "visual hearing" is suffering from "visual
tinnitus" also. Or its your ego getting in the way of logical
objectivity. Try to understand that YOU do NOT define U.S.
amateur radio...the FCC does. Just because others don't accept
your interpretation does NOT mean they "hate ham radio."


Tsk. How little you two know of REAL engineering and
"experimentation." :-)

So what you are saying is that those who do know about REAL engineering
and "experimentation" won't do it unless only everything is to their
exact liking? Otherwise they will simply wait until everything is to
their exact liking?

No, I'm just saying you two don't know dink about REAL
engineering...or experimentation. :-)

You both like to posture as if you do, but neither does. :-)

Have fun in the ARS (Archaic Radiotelegraphy Society). [why
are you here instead of playing with your HF radios?]

I am here *while* I'm playing with my HF radio.

BS. At a little after 1:30 on a Friday afternoon you should
be WORKING at your place of employment. You only work 4 days
a week? Tsk, NOT the Capitalist Way!

At the close of FCC business in DC on 22 Jul 05, the Comments
on WT Docket 05-235 are running about 2:1 in favor of dropping
the code test. [just a little reminder] Stay "tuned." On your
"HF radio" or your computer. [don't get them mixed up]

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