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July 25th 05, 05:20 PM

wrote:
Mike Coslo wrote:
K4YZ wrote:
wrote:
From: Mike Coslo on Jul 22, 4:01 pm
wrote:
From: Michael Coslo on Fri 22 Jul 2005 13:37

Why are you sounding insecure? The FCC defines U.S. amateur
radio. You don't define U.S. amateur radio.

Insecure? So are the others who *know* how it is to be defined also
insecure?

Tsk. Don't try that ploy. THE FCC DEFINES AMATEUR RADIO
IN THE UNITED STATES. Period.

You folks all missed an important point.

We are told in no uncertain terms that

"THE FCC DEFINES AMATEUR RADIO IN THE UNITED STATES. Period."

But the same nonamateur also tells us that amateur radio

"is a HOBBY".

break

Yet the word "HOBBY" or "hobby" does not appear anywhere in Part 97.
The FCC
doesn't use that word at all in connection with the definition of
the Amateur Radio Service.

and it does not apear in the feining of CB or even the rules for
(controling is FCC) My R/C aircraft yet they are claerly hobies or at
least on the same basis as the ARS

So the FCC, who define amateur radio in the United States, don't use
the
word "hobby" in their definition. Yet we are told that amateur radio
*is* a
hobby.

becuase by and large it is

regardless of its value or lack of it to the nation to the FCC it and
us are merely to be regulated and as easily as possible

If calling the ARS a service aids the FCC they will do so

If calling us a Pizza did so I bet that would be in the rules too

Do you see the contradiction?

nope

I suspect you see one because you are operating under the assumetion
that to paraphase the Indians, "that the Great White Fathers agents
speak with forked tongue" is not SOP inside the beltway

Looks like someone doesn't know what he's talking about.....

They grant the licenses for same.

Your "answer" doesn't answer the question, Lennie.

Seldom does. I didn't reply before, because I couldn't figure out just
*how* to reply.

Len rarely, if ever, answers direct questions. He says they're
"loaded".

many of the question are loaded and fall into the "have you stoped
beating your wife yet" catagory

"Bright people wanting to experiment" aren't going to fall in love
with a radio service demanding all below-30-MHz-privileged
individuals demonstrate telegraphy skills...especially when
that skill goes back 161 years! :-)

Lots of bright students don't want to learn anything that they don't
think is relevant.

Har! That's one of the WEAKEST arguments mumbled by so many.

No, it's not.

It's still as "real" today as it was when I was in grade school,
and probably when your grandfather was in grade school, Lennie.

I don't think I've ever met any student in any learning enviroment
that didn't want to "cut through the BS" and jsut "learn what I need to
know..."

There are plenty enough of that type running around.

It is one of the defining elements of the truly ignorant. The remark
must be answered with:

Tell me everything you are ever going to do in your career, and we'll
get started on what you need to know.

I'll have to remember that one!

The FCC is NOT an academic institution and licensees are NOT
"students"...NOT even prospective licensees going for a test.

Everyone is hated by someone. If a person allows themselves to be
bothered by it, they are a poor baby indeed.

No, sweetums, YOU got the non-sequitur. Note what I said about
K4YZ: Anyone simply disagreeing with him is ACCUSED to be
HATING HAM RADIO! Search all you want through Google and you
will find him using that "phrase of hate." Do YOU want to be
like him?

No hate, Lennie.

I just don't tolerate liars.

And I don't always agree with you. Which kinda blows his theory out of
the water.

I don't agree with any of you on some things too. Another theory
destroyed.

If 50 million people believe a foolish thing is true, it remains a
foolish thing.

"50 million people in WHAT?" Where are you dreaming today?

Hello? Concentrate on the thread subject.

Okay, I'll slow down and explain.

See, like someone goes like: "Feeling "hated" because so few agree with
your self-proclaimed "definitions" of What It Is All About?".

Bummer!

Then like I go like: "If 50 million people believe a foolish thing is
true, it remains a foolish thing.

To the max, man...

It's like if so few agree with my definitions, its like tons and tons
of people don't agree with my definitions, you know - totally.

It's where their heads are at. Different scene.

So I was going like: those tons and tons of people, like maybe 50
million of them, don't agree you know?, and like maybe I think they are
like wrong, and like maybe if I am not wrong, like maybe they are still
wrong, and like just cuz theres like tons and tons of them, that won't
like make it right, you know?

Groovy! That totally rocks, Mike. Tubular, dude.

Whew....

To put it another way: "Objective reality doesn't care what you
believe"

but objective reality and Govt reg never mix

73 de Jim, N2EY