Frankie of Silliland wrote:
On Wed, 02 Nov 2005 05:17:49 GMT, Dave Heil wrote
in . net:
Frankie of Silliland wrote:
On Wed, 02 Nov 2005 04:43:18 GMT, Dave Heil wrote
in t:

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I'd imagine

No need to say any more -- that pretty much sums it up.

It surely does. It pretty much sums up all of your imagining, guessing
and assuming about what Steve has and hasn't done.

Dudly gets himself in hot water and it's Dave to the rescue!

So...Guess that "nobody here likes you" thing was WRONG, eh,
Frankie?

And as for the temperature of the water, I'd say your feet are a
few degrees closer to boiling than mine.....

I can't yet figure your motivation

I don't know why -- I've clearly stated my "motivation" several times
in plain English.

No, you've not.

but you've admitted being a screw up
in the military. It looks as if you're out to smear the service of
others for whatever reason. Most of us who served managed to get
through a hitch without an Article 15, much less a court martial.

One more time, Dave: I wasn't exactly the 'model Marine', but I did my
service and I did it well (despite Dudly's imagined version of the
facts as recorded in my SRB).

No, you did NOT "do it well", save perhaps in YOUR imagination.

Marines with TWO courts martials in one tour are NOT "good"
Marines.

I am no less proud of my service than any other Marine.

You should be...you were incompetent as a Marine...Competency as a
Marine does not limit itself to how skilled or knowledgeable you may
have been in your MOS.

And HAD you been a "good Marine", you'd know.

And like any other Marine, I find it reprehensible
when someone like Dudly makes false claims about his "career", fudging
the truth in order to get a little more praise.

What fudging?

So you never got caught doing anything wrong. Hooray for you.
Something to be proud of, I suppose. However, I have a slightly
different value system. I don't rest my laurels on never having done
anything wrong (which I don't think anyone can honesty claim).
Instead, I list my accomplishments by the challenges I have faced and
overcome, whether they were caused by my own actions or by
circumstances beyond my control. And believe me, I have done both.

What you MEAN is that you were completely incapable of operating
within the "value system" of what it was to be a Marine, but now you
try some boohoo about how more challenging it was for you.

Dudly said it himself: It's easy to get through the military without
so much as an Article 15 -- just follow orders.

I questioned orders on numerous occasions. But that's part of that
"value system"...Knowing how to work within the system.

You were stupid.

Twice.

Now that's fine for a
reservist, where the orders given aren't much of a challenge.

And again an out-and-out misrepresentation of the character of
service of the Reserve Forces of the United States...

What part of what the Reserves are doing today is any less
challenging than what the active duty guys are doing?

Indeed...they have it harder...Taken from homes and 'real jobs' to
fight in the desert.

It's easy to blindly follow orders.

And it's even easier to make up silly stories like yours.

But that isn't always the case on
active duty. Maybe you forgot Abu Graib, or that incident where the
soldiers refused to make an unnecessary supply run without sufficient
armor..... or even the Iran-Contra scandal. When the orders are wrong
or illegal, as happens from time to time, it's -not- easy to do the
-right- thing and challenge authority. I consider that to be one of my
accomplishments.

I also consider it an accomplishment to have fulfilled my military
obligation after two courts-martial and the constant denigration from
others that resulted from them, a tactic that Dudly is trying to use.
What Dudly doesn't realize is that he can say nothing that I haven't
heard before and overcome. I proved them wrong and I'm proud of that
fact. So when Dudly (and now yourself) try to use the same demeaning
tactics I can only laugh.

All you've done is make a laughing stock out of your "arguments"
here, Frankie...

You were incompetent as a Marine. You are where incompetent
Marines SHOULD be...in civilian life with two courts martials to live
with.

Dave, I have no beef with you. I didn't feel it necessary to give you
-any- sort of explanation but I did anyway. If it wasn't enough, or if
you can't understand it, tough ####.

Frankie trying to soft-soap Dave since just last night he was
telling "everyone" that "no one" here was "on my side".

That having now been proven false, Frankie tries his own version of
"spin".

But do you really feel the need
to defend Dudly -- a retired Marine Gunny, a CAP Major, a TN State
Guardsman, and a veteran of seven hostile actions -- against me, a
####bird PFC?

A liar's a liar, Frankie...You're a very determined one, but a liar
none the less.

If you do then you are only hurting Dudly's case, not helping it.

Ahhhhhhh...Just like President Nixon's "Silent Majority" trick,
Frankie...?!?!

If you are going to stick up for Dudly, fine. As far as
I'm concerned, you two love-birds can row your boat out into the wash
together and do whatever it is that makes you two happy.

So here we have it, folks...

Frankie "comes over" from the CB NG for no other purpose than to
take up for Markie and Company against a former Marine since he knows
just enough of "the lingo" to sound impressive. It's OK for "them" to
go 5-to-1 on me.

He is, however, a twice disgraced loser who didn't have the
dignity or strength of character to get through ONE tour of duty
without being court martialed TWICE.

He is "all about" teaming up with Lennie, Markie, etc, but let
someone say something in MY support and they are "defending" me, as if
words of support for me were verbal herpes.

I wonder what it is about Dave saying something that makes Frankie
worry about the possible odds now being 5:2 instead of 5:1...?!?!

More substantiation of my claim that he's a coward.

Steve, K4YZ