From: on Sun, Dec 18 2005 11:01 am

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From: on Dec 10, 3:48 pm,
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From: on Dec 7, 5:28 pm
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From: Bill Sohl on Dec 6, 6:11 am
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How is a non-ARRL history of amateur radio regulations any
different from an ARRL history of amateur radio regulations, Len?

Non-ARRL histories of ALL RADIO regulations don't have the
obvious political spin that ARRL uses to attempt increasing
its membership.

That's just the way it is...

Can you cite specific things that are different in the two histories?

Oh, YES, I can. But that takes time to write about 100,000
words or more. Write up a contract on that book and send
me an offer. I'll ask a minimum of $75,000 advance on the
compensation for my time and effort just to start.



Nonsense, Len. The ARRL doesn't elect government officials.

It postures as if it does...stating bluntly that it is
the "representative of amateur radio!" :-)

Nor does it make regulations.

It certainly tries to! Tries to for a MINORITY of licensed
radio amateurs in the USA.


There were "other groups" back in the 1940s, Len.

You didn't exist in the 1940s, Jimmie.



Yes. Amateur radio licenses are earned by passing the
required tests.

Strange, the FCC says it GRANTS them.

Only after they are EARNED.

What do you "earn," Ern? :-)


Amateur radio provided shelter, food, clothing for hurricane
victims?

It helped to provide those things.

How? Be specific. Be detailed. Show your work.

Since you've already "earned" your license, you don't need
any more compensation.

Show us all the "health and welfare" message content.


Geez, here I thought all they were doing was
relaying health and welfare messages...some of the time.

Well, you're wrong.

How was I "wrong," Jimmie?

How? Be specific. Be detailed. Show your work.

Since you've already "earned" your license, you don't need
any more compensation.

Show us all the "health and welfare" message content.



Amateur radio is basically a HOBBY.

But that's not all it is, Len. Grow up and accept that shouting the
same old tired lines doesn't convince anyone.

Hello? See the word "basically" in my quoted sentence?

Yes. So what?

Amateur radio is BASICALLY a hobby, Jimmie.

I will admit that some folks see it as a "way of life",
especially when they don't have much other life. shrug

It's just a HOBBY, Jimmie.



Entirely true. FCC is NOT an academic organization, "grading"
amateurs on their radio skills.

Actually, it *does* grade them. That's why there are different levels
of amateur radio license.

There are different CLASSES of amateur radio licenses.

Can't you get anything right?

The FCC is NOT an academic organization or agency.

Those CLASSES of license were arrived at through regulatory
politics.


Tsk. Jimmie, you just don't understand how the military works.

I understand well enough, Len.

You aren't ANYWHERE close, Jimmie.

Everyone in the military puts their LIFE on the line, 24/7, as
long as they are in.

NOWHERE in amateur radio is any licensee required to do THAT.

When you put YOUR life on the line, then you might understand,
Jimmie, but not before.



Did you expect that everyone had to build everything themselves?!?

Not at all. But radio amateurs sometimes do. You wouldn't know about
that since you've never done it.

Plain and simple WRONG, Jimmie.


Do you expect sailors to all get sheet steel and torches and
build the ship they are going to serve on?

Not at all. But radio amateurs sometimes build their equipment from
the most basic parts - including sheet metal work. You wouldn't know
about that since you've never done it.

INCORRECT. I've built equipment "from scratch." INCLUDING
the "sheet metal work." :-)

From the initial notes and sketches on paper to more detailed
plans on vellum to getting the parts, doing the breadboards,
finalizing the physical layouts, laying out the circuit boards,
masking and etching the PCBs, "bending the tin" (an expression
in aerospace for sheet-metal work), using the metal brake, using
drill presses, mills, lathes, tapping the screw holes, wiring up
the components, assembling everything, then testing and recording
the operation of the finished product. That was just for HOBBY
equipment, Jimmie. :-)

At WORK I've done all that plus a lot more...and been responsible
for the completion of the final design to established milestones,
setting up and doing the environmental testing, going out in the
field for the corporation to assist the customer, being responsible
for million-dollar project completion plus all the interdisciplinary
design review meetings and reports before managers as well as giving
pitches for contracts up for bid.

Do you expect airmen to all get aluminum and engines and build
the aircraft they are going to serve on?

Of course not.

Why not? I've helped do that...and I'm NOT an "airman." :-)

Do you expect choo-choo drivers to build their locomotives
themselves? :-)

"Choo-choo drivers"?

What you call "locomotive engineers." Did they go to "engineering
school" for their degrees? :-)



Jimmie, YOU don't understand that every other radio service
does NOT define either "station" or "operating" by amateur
radio "rules." :-)

Which means your example isn't valid, Len.

Plainly and simply WRONG, Jimmie. YOU aren't valid in this
alleged "discussion." :-)



Do you think policemen carrying neat little two-way radios
subscribe to QST? :-)

Some of them do.

Prove it. Supply their names.



I just disregarded any
NEED to learn morse code since I was never, ever
required to use it in the military or in the much longer
civilian life career I still have.

In other words, since there was no money in it for you...

No NEED, Jimmie. Can't you get anything straight?


Since no higher deity commanded that morse code testing be
done for amateur radio licenses, ordinary humans must have
done it. Whatever humans have done, humans can UNDO.

Not necessarily. Humans seem to have trouble undoing certain
types of messes, such as pollution.

Yes, the morse code test is still in USA amateur regulations,
POLLUTING the environment for newcomer hobbyists.


Yes, Jimmie, I'm well aware of Title 47 C.F.R.'s Part 97.

You sure don't seem to be, Len.

Tsk, tsk, tsk, Jimmie. Who do you think wrote the following
on December 10th?

"The FCC doesn't license radio amateurs."



Of course - because you are not qualified to do it on-the-air.

Not AUTHORIZED, Jimmie. Do try to keep up...



I've only listened to the predecessor of the Condor Net in
Newbury Park, CA, demonstrated by one of the ham-licensed
employees there. At Teledyne Electronics, my employer
during the late 70s. It was the first state-long network
to use all tone switching for routing without using any
microprocessor control.

Gosh, you *listened*! I've done a lot more than that!

When were you on the Condor Network? Give us the year you
operated on it. Describe it.



Tsk, tsk, tsk. That doesn't agree with www.hamdata.com figures.

I didn't use those figures.

Not good enough for you? Hamdata gets theirs right from the
FCC database. Where does Speroni get his? Crystal ball? :-)



Is that a threat, Len? You're not even a novice at amateur radio.

Why are you afraid of perceived "threats?" Guilty conscience?


Residences are for LIVING in, Jimmie. It is HOME.

SO why shouldn't it change?

This newsgroup/morseblog isn't about zoning ordinances or real
estate, Jimmie. Nor is it about trailer living...wherein
trailers can be towed someplace else for "change." :-)

Which trailer park are you living in now, Jimmie? Isn't it
time for a "change?"

I've lived at this same residental address for 42 years,
Jimmie. Some of my neighbors have lived in their for
longer. Why should we "change?" Especially for some
easterner who doesn't know the territory, doesn't know
the neighborhood, doesn't know any neighbors, doesn't do
anything but try to make trouble for those who have
opinions on amateur radio testing other than his? :-)


Now it's clear. You weren't top of the form in Morse Code, so the
code must be a bad thing....

Plainly and simply inaccurate and plainly and simply just your
personal insult mode trying vainly to masquerade as "civil"
discussion. The mask is quite transparent. We can all see
through it. Take it off, it will be more comfortable for you.

Jimmie, TRY to understand the 53 years ago morse code was NOT
the ultimate skill in radio operation on communications
circuits. Yes, radiotelegraphy was used by many, but it was
NOT necessary in relaying tens or hundreds of thousands of
messages a month worldwide. Teleprinting was necessary then
and it was used for the majority of military, government,
and commercial messaging around the globe. That's just the
way it was...

Today the "need" for radiotelegraphy skill has atrophied down
to some amateur radio hobbyists who cling to the myth that it
is "necessary" for obtaining an amateur radio license. Even
then that myth is not universal nor does it represent any
"consensus" among those that have obtained the "highest" CLASS
amateur radio license. That's just the way it is...

I've just never had to USE any radiotelegraphy skills nor
wired telegraphy skills for ANY REASON...and I was DOING
long-distance HF communications before your existance.

If you wish to build up your atrocious EGO and say everyone
is (or even should be) "jealous" of your telegraphy skill,
then you are a deluded person who is troubled and needs some
mental therapy to better get along with others...and that's
the way THAT is...