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Old September 30th 06, 08:05 PM posted to rec.radio.amateur.policy
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From: Paul W. Schleck on Fri, Sep 29 2006 4:14 pm

Did I "fault" Jeffrey Hermann?


KH6O's last name is spelled "Herman". Len. One 'n'.

You also forgot the "Ph.D." which he holds.

Only in that this
junior college instructor titles himself as a
"mathematics lecturer." :-)


He teaches mathematics courses at a Community College that is part of
the University of Hawaii.
How is "mathematics lecturer" in any way inaccurate? Why should anyone
"fault" him for that?

Have *you* ever taught mathematics at a college or university, Len?

He claimed (twice)
that the ARRL Amateur's Handbook was on "best-
seller" lists.


Not exactly.

He claimed it was on a list of all-time non-fiction best selling books.
And it was!

Is that a reason to "fault" someone?

The ABA (American Booksellers
Association) has NO record of that.


So? It wasn't an ABA best-seller list. It was a Time magazine
best-seller list.

Jeffie-poo


Len, who is "Jeffie-poo"?

is a
confirmed morseman and pro-code-test


Define "morseman" for us, please. It's not in either of the Webster's
dicionaries I checked.

As the usual pro-coder's reaction,
he got upset at any negativism about morsemanship.


"Morsemanship" isn't in those dictionaries, either.

Have you forgotten how you "faulted" him for his description of his
experiences as a United States Coast Guard radio operator, Len?

Jeffrey Herman claimed that the Radio Amateur's Handbook was named as an
all-time best seller by Time Magazine in the non-fiction category:


And it was!

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...c34ccd1?hl=en&

According to the article in Time (from 1968, not 1970), it was #16:

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/ar...837843,00.html


Yes, that is what Time magazine claimed in 1968. But...
here is MORE of what Time magazine wrote, after the
title: "1926 3,800,000"


Why is that important?

Now, in the book trade and in the newspapers, "best
sellers" are listed per week or per month or per year.


Those are *short-term* lists of what is selling in the bookstores. The
Time Magazine list was an "all-time" bestseller list.

The ARRL Amateur Radio Handbook began being published
in the twenties.


1926, to be exact.

The time between 1926 and 1968 is 42
years. I didn't bother to check if this handbook was
published during WW2 years. If it was not, then there
are only 38 years between 1926 and 1968.


There were special "Defense" editions published during WW2. They were
used as training texts in some courses.

Are ALL of the Handbooks identical? I don't think so.


Neither are the other books on the Time list. Spock's "Baby And Child
Care" and the cookbooks on the list have gone through many revisions.

The AVERAGE PER YEAR publishing of the handbook comes
out to 100,000 per year for 3.8 million total over 38
years (90,476 per year for 42 years). That hardly ever
qualifies as a "best seller" publication.


Sure it does. Otherwise it would not have made it onto the Time list.

Let's do a comparison between the ARRL Handbook and
"The World Almanac and Book of Facts."


Why?

I have a 2006
copy. Continuously published since 1886 (a total of
120 years), "World Almanac" claims "80 Million Copies
Sold" on its 2006 cover. Now each year's Almanac WILL
be different. The AVERAGE PER YEAR editions of that
comes out to be 666 2/3 thousand per year. Further,
"World Almanac" claims to be "#1 on the New York Times
Bestsell" (also on the 2006 cover). Two-thirds of a
million per year IS "best seller" qualification.
Editions in the past two decades runs more to a 'Mil'
per year. Perhaps more.


But how many were sold by 1968? I don't think you know, Len. You're
using today's numbers and assuming the sales didn't change much. That's
not a valid assumption.

Is the Bible on that Time list? I don't see it. Of
course that would be a contentious subject. Heretics
would want it in the "fiction" category, I'm sure. :-)


Do you think the Bible is literally true, Len?

But, I digress.


You do that all the time.

The main point is this: Jeffrey Herman, Ph. D., teaches mathematics at
the college level - yet you admit you "faulted" him for referring to
himself as a "mathematics lecturer". He also correctly wrote that a
certain book was on an all-time bestseller list - and it was, yet you
admit you "faulted" him for that, too.

Seems to me, Len, that you "fault" people for saying things that are
true!

Your chief interest seems to be in
trying to destroy the credibility of a not-licensed in
the amateur radio service person (although one who has
been licensed as a Commercial radio operator since
1956).


Len, you destroy your own credibilty very well....

Have you really done that? Are you really
going to nit-pick about an old posting by another and
reference a 1968 Time magazine article?


Actually, Len, *you're* the one nit-picking about it.

It's really quite typical behavior for you, Len.

First, you make some claim or other, or deny someone else's.

Then someone provides conclusive evidence disproving your claim, or
backing up the other person's.

Your response is to attack the messenger for telling the facts as they
are.

Fits your profile perfectly.


Yes, I'm sure
you really, really WANT to do that! :-)

By the bye, how are you coming with my Background Check?
You know, the one where you MUST know my "personal,
non-professional life"? No neighbor has reported any
"investigator" flashing their shield and wanting to
speak about me. The FBI has done that before. Twice.
I passed muster enough for a security clearance, Paul.
Twice. Are the newsgroup standards now HIGHER than a
national security clearance? Must be...!


What the heck are you talking about, Len?

Have you written the IEEE yet to complain about my
conduct in here? No? Why not? You are free to do so.
Do you think it will matter to the IEEE? If so, please
explain in 30,000 words or more WHY. (that's a 'short
novel' length) Be sure and tell the pro-coders about
your findings. The Inquisition can't get along without
you...


Do you think your behavior here meets the IEEE Code of Ethics, Len?

Do you think you set a good example of what a "PROFESSIONAL" should do?


Maybe it's time to look at some of your classic "faults" aimed at a
United States Coast Guard radio operator who mentioned some of his
experiences here. The Coast Guard is a branch of the military, Len.