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Old August 30th 07, 02:38 AM posted to rec.radio.amateur.antenna
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Default Photon vs Wave emissions from antennas?

On Aug 29, 4:11 pm, "Mike Kaliski" wrote:
"John Smith" wrote in message

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Ok. You might ask me, "Why do you laugh at people discussing antennas
emitting photons?


And, I would answer:


Photon emissions from an antenna element(s) seems difficult, at best, to
visualize (no pun intended.)


Consider a 1/2 inch dia. single element antenna (monopole?) If the thing
is emitting photons, one would think the photons are being emitted equally
around the elements circumference.


Well, now flatten that 1/2 dia rod into a very thin ribbon--however, the
ribbon still has the same area of cross section, and equal to the cross
section of the round rod. If this conductor is emitting photons, one
would expect them, now, to be off the two flat sides of the element and
relative few off the sides--indeed, one would now expect this element to
be becoming directional in two favored directions--off the flat sides ...
to date, I have NOT been able to measure an acceptable difference to
reinforce the "illumination properties" of the element.


The photon/wave properties of rf still remains a mystery ... and proof
hard to come by.


Regards,
JS


John

Imagine your ribbon antena flattened to the thickness of a razor blade.
Instead of using RF, heat the antenna with a blow torch until it becomes
white hot.

It is only when looking at the exact edge of the antenna that any
appreciable drop in light out put will be noticed. At all broadside angles
an appreciable amount of light would be seen. The same effects can be
expected to occur at RF but the majority of amateur test equipment would not
have the resolution to measure the dip with the antenna edge on. The width
of the receiving antenna and diffraction effects would tend to hide this in
the far field, and alignment, reflection effects and manufacturing
tolerances in the near field.


Or perhaps more appropriately, with visible light being around 500
nanometers wavelength, imagine your antenna wire being about 0.01
nanometers thick and 1 nanometer wide (and 250 nanometers long, if you
wish) ... Now does you intuition tell you anything useful about the
angular distribution of emitted photons? I suppose not.

Cheers,
Tom