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Old September 25th 07, 07:35 AM posted to rec.radio.shortwave
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Default KNX 1070 exhibits severe motorboating at night

On Sep 24, 9:13 pm, wrote:
On Sep 24, 10:51 am, RHF wrote:





On Sep 19, 10:12 am, RHF wrote:


On Sep 19, 7:00 wrote: On Tue, 18 Sep 2007 09:15:37 -0700, RHF
wrote:


On Sep 18, 7:13 wrote:
Apparently the selective fading bug manifests during very mild fades,
unnoticeable before 9-14, but very prominent and distracting since.


I'm about 40 or so miles from the transmitter and the night signal is
definitely compromised.


And 'what' do you attribute this too . . . ~ RHF
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- IBOC. Try to pay attention Tilda Boy.


David- Please Re-Read Your Original Post
-and- Don't Read Anything In To It :


"KNX 1070 exhibits severemotorboatingat night"


"Apparently the selective fading bug manifests during
very mild fades, unnoticeable before 9-14, but very
prominent and distracting since."


"I'm about 40 or so miles from the transmitter and the
night signal is definitely compromised."


Point of Fact - The Word "IBOC" does not appear in it at all.


* The Words 'motorboating' , 'selective fading' and 'mild fades'
are genearlly considered Analog Radio Terms.


* Digital "Drop-Out" would be an IBOC {Digital} Radio Term.


David- I never knew that your had an IBOC AM/MW Radio
to clearly make a judgement as to where it was the IBOC
Digital Signal that was the Problem with your AM/MW
'Analog' Radio reception.


David- I will give you the Point that you can hear Digital Hash
on your Analog AM/MW Radios that is Attributed to IBOC.
-but- To Attribute : 'motorboating' , 'selective fading' and
'mild fades' to IBOC is a stretch - imho.


David-Question- Do You Own an IBOC AM/MW Radio ?


FWIW - This "Tilda Boy" is Paying Attention.


david- now go enjoy your radios ~ RHF
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David,


I apologize - I am now Hearing what you described
as "Motorboating" on many of the "HD" Stations in
the Early Morning at about 7 AM.


I Ask Myself : What IBOC ?
All I See Is The Blinking Blue Light ! ~ RHF
In the Distant Land Where IBOC Fears To Go :
Life Exists and Radio Listeners Live Beyond the 10mv/m Contour.
.


I suppose I can try KNX this morning, but I don't see any reason for
IBOC to cause motorboating. Granted IBOC sucks in many other ways, but
it should not have such an effect on the analog signal.- Hide quoted text -

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M...Sushi,

1 - It may be that there is a 'Predictable Point' {Distance from
the Transmitter} and specific Time-of-Day when the Radio
Stations Analog Signal and it's Digital Signal cause a phase
mixing product that 'appears to be' {sounds like} what is
classically called 'motorboating'.

-Or- it may be the Radio Stations own Analog Signal with the
Digital Signal of one or more of the Adjacent Channels Radio
Station; that is 'causing' this audio effect.

The 'Cause' May Be Unknown - But What You "Hear" Is Real.

2 - Also I am hearing more and more of what we use to call
Automotive Engine {Ingition} Noise {at very High RPM} with
the Radi-Osophy HD-100 Radio.

When I first got this "HD" Radio this Noise was not as
noticeable -but- now it is the 'preponderant' sound across
the AM/MW Band except when there is a Clean and Clear
Analog AM/MW Radio Station to listen to on any given
Frequency.

-NOTE- This HD Radio "Noise" Background is so strong
that IMHO most 2nd and 3rd Generation "HD" Radios
should have a Squelch Knob to quiet-out this Noise so
that a Radio Listener only has to hear those 'local'
AM/MW Radio Stations with a Clean and Clear Signal :
Be it Analog or Digital.


I Ask Myself : What IBOC ?
All I See Is The Blinking Blue Light ! ~ RHF
In That Distant Land* Where IBOC Fears To Go :
Life Exists and Radio Listeners Live Beyond the 10mv/m Contour.
* Twain Harte, CA -USA-