"Telamon" wrote in message
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You are full of crap. KFI and KNX come in just fine here at night. I
also regularly listen to KKOH out of Nevada, KOGO San Diego, KGO in San
Francisco to name a few. I'm beginning to think you don't live in LA
when you post this crap. They all come in well on a portable radio I
hold in my hand so drop the jealousy act over my table top radios.

Right. I said there were a handful of stations that get any kind of regional
coverarage. KFI and KNX are licensed within the market you live in, although
you are in an area outside the radio metro, but inside the TV metro
(marketing terms like MSA and DMA were set up precisely so advertisers would
know where the influence of a market's stations extends to... it's not
arbitrary.... it is based on listening) where the signals may be receivable,
but few people listen.

KOGO is probably receivable as you are near the coast. I have no usable
night signal in Glendale, as 600 is very congested inland. 780 and 810 are
former 1 B clears.

You have proven my case. Many 1 Bs shoot out over the water, but the As and
usable B's combined are not even 1% of all the radio stations in the US, and
none of them has registered skywave based listening in ratings for many,
mnay years... decades perhaps.

All we are looking at here is whether the FCC and the broadcast industry did
the right thing. A sacrifice of a quantity of listening so small it is
statistically not quantifiable looks to many to be a fair price to try to
move AM to digital and to try to "reinvent" it. I happen to think AM is too
dead to save in the long run, but standing in the way of perhaps its only
chance to survive is also not appropriate.

You do not seem to know what can be picked up on the West coast at all.
You seem to get your information from the Internet instead of actually
listening to a radio.

I can get Kota Kinabalu many mornings, but that is no indication that anyone
else in the US is listening to it. My point... what I have apparently failed
to convey to you, is that reception of night skywave signals is not how
99.999% of people want to hear radio. The levels of such reception are so
low that they do not register in radio ratings, where every listening
incident is captured, including distant stations, in the current system.

You are a real nut job pretender. How can you not
know about the reception I get if you live in LA? I can only conclude
you are full of crap and that you don't live in LA or anywhere on the
West coast.

The fact is that many LA stations are unusable to me, let alone distant
ones. The noise level is so extreme that anything but a huge signal is not
worth listening to. You are talking about a theoretical ability to pick up a
station and I am talking about what people actually do when they listen to
the radio.

Our KTNQ, a 50 kw AM, of which a decade ago I was program director, did not
have a usable night signal much of the time where I lived in Toluca Lake; it
has no consistently usable signal in Orange County, either. And guess what:
we got no diary mentions in those areas, either. Listeners don't seek out
signals that sound bad.