Jim Higgins wrote in
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On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 09:53:34 EDT, Michael Coslo wrote:

cmdr buzz corey wrote:
On Jun 11, 1:20 pm, Michael Coslo wrote:

There is an element on 75 meters that just seems to hate
the idea of
Hams having fun, and want to spoil it for others.

There are a lot of cbers on the ham bands who happen to have ham
licenses.

I would respectfully note that the problems cannot all be laid at
the
feet of those who use/used Citizen band radios. It is a kind of
convenient word to generalize with, but in the end can add to the
problems.

But more importantly, what are we going to do about it? Somewhere
between the world of "You will not say the word "roger" lest ye be
banned from my repeater", and the Dodge City of 75 meters is a middle
ground that needs explored.

Basically, Hams need to accept that there are some of us who have
different accents from us, and may talk differently.

We need to not get spun up when someone says "My handle is...".
Or
Roger, or whatever. People who speak Q-signals and give 5 of 9 reports
should not berate others for silly language.

On the other hand, people who interfere with others communications
need dealt with, and dealt with harshly once found.

I like your approach, Michael.

That last suggestion, if successful, would go a long way to ward
cleaning up 75M! ;-)

Not sure what rock I've been living under, but I've never heard that
"Roger" wasn't kosher on a repeater. Do you maybe mean "10-4?"


Nope. A few months ago, I did a little investigation on repeaters.
Surprisingly enough to me, a lot of the repeater pages had guidelines of
"how to speak" Roger was in a few.

Keeping in mind that that is quite legal - a repeater owner can
bring down the repeater or kick someone off it if s/he doesnt want anyone
to say "Chewbacca", it isn't a freindly sort of thing to do.

Some of the best - friendly, courteous, etc. - hams I know were former
CBers. They may not be all very technically inclined, but all have
well set up stations - good effective antennas, proper grounding, etc.
- and they did it themselves. And more importantly they treat their
fellow hams decently on and off the air. All the ones I know deserve
the respect and tolerance you suggest above and when you get down to
it don't really need it because they don't stand out as former CBers.

My experience has been the same. A local Ham who is a truck driver
just happens to be an excellent ham, in all ways. We're bringing him up
on the technical end too. He does occasionally say "roger that". Big
deal. I'll take ten of him for every grump.


And if a new ham does happen to say "10-4" or "my handle is" it's easy
enough to privately Elmer him on the sensitivity some have to that
lingo. Those who refuse that simple courteous approach might do well
to look for another hobby. We have enough grouchy old men as it is.
;-)

Right! We can lead by example, and if need be, I can make a mention
of it if it is egregious. Mention it off the air, and in a constructive
way. I wouldn't browbeat anyone for saying roger, or even first personal,
but would make an exception if people were delving into the
"avoidance/defeat" of law enforcement activities that I've heard on 11
meters.

My personal pet peeve comes from reading the FCC enforcement letters.
If it's not an Extra class licensee involved then it tends to be
someone who has been licensed for 20+ years. It's definitely not the
newcomers. They make their occasional mistakes, but they don't do
anything wrong with malicious intent. If everyone just met that one
simple standard the bands would be an entirely different place, esp
75M.

Seeing the enforcement letters, I read much the same. There is the
occasional Technician that is operating beyond their priveliges, but
unlicened operation, repeater jammers, and plenty of hams who have been
licensed for a very long time.

- 73 de Mike KB3EIA -