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"Alun Palmer" wrote in message
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Alun I respect you opinions. Just like I don't like some laws (blue or
otherwise) and CC&R's in the HOA in which I live -- I can express a
personal
emotion or opinion as you have. But my point is that thousands who hate
the
code have passed the code test because they had to in order to achieve
their
goals. If one's desire to get on HF is high enough, the code should not be
a
deterrent as many have proved. And they didn't like proving it.

Just because thousands did it before, doesn't justify
keeping it (the 5 wpm test).

I still maintain it is all a matter of achieve or cop out. Make
excuses or meet a challenge.
And you are correct "Code aptitude and IQ are completely unrelated" So
much for the "Engineer copout"

It has nothing to do whether you or I like or dislike the code.

I disagree. If someone doesn't like CW, why on earth should they be
forced
to train as a CW operator to get accesss to phone frequencies? This is a
hobby.

Because the FCC sez so -- don't mix emotions with the law.
It is not a hobby -- FCC Part 97 sez it is a Service. (That ought to stir
up
a hornets nest!!)

BUT, you seem to say...accept it and never try to change
it. The ITU just dropped mandatory testing...for one of the
reasons being they didn't see any need to keep it. Not
one country spoke in favor of keeping mandatory code
as an ITU requirement.

It has nothing to do with "Antiquated technology"

I don't think CW can match PSK or TOR, so it is somewhat antiquated,
IMHO

Besides the point

The point being, in any case, that no one is saying
don't use morse anymore. The ONLY issue is the
test.

It has nothing to do with "I'll never use code"

On the contrary. I don't use code, so why did I have to learn to use it?

FCC sez so -- you are making an excuse to avoid the requirement. Logic has
nothing to do with it -- its the law.

It's the law today. That'l change relatively soon.

Ask a lawyer about that one. Hey I
want to be a BSEE, why do I have to take History classes ????

You don't have to take history classes in some schools
to get a BSEE.

It has everything to do with "Want HF Ham Ticket -- Pass the Test "(at
the moment) If dropped is all OK with me. Times and requirements
change
as they should.

So you have no trouble with the oncoming changes, then?

None at all.

Good!.

Black and white -- yep sure is -- society, government, et al make it
that way. Don't Drink and Drive, 3 strikes you are outta here -- Pass
the Test -- pretty black and white to me.


So you don't beleive anyone should try to change any of the rules?

Of course change is inevitable. But for now -- buckle up

Or just wait it out a few months.

As for Anyone who used the code as an excuse for not becoming a
ham, just
wasn't serious about it.

An unsupported assertion, and untrue

I have talked with hundreds and I mean hundreds of folks and VE's over
the years and here are the copouts.

I don't have time. The most common one. VE's here have found that 15
min a day EVERY day practice and in a month --90%+ pass the code test
BUT the other 10% spend all night on the boob tube.


Usually that is just an excuse, I agree. My XYL uses it all the time!
Mine Too !!

I'll never use code. (You may never have to parallel park either) (if
they still require that)

No, that one is valid.

Try telling that to the FCC -- meantime Pass The Test

Or wait till it changes.

(SNIP)

Cheers,
Bill K2UNK