"Kim W5TIT" wrote in message
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"Dee D. Flint" wrote in message
y.com...
Somehow I think you are misunderstanding my point of view. If they do
not
wish to exercise the privileges that come with an upgrade, then there is
no
need to upgrade and that's fine with me. It's those who want the
privileges
and whine about having to do the work to get them that bother me.


BUT, have you ever actually known anyone who has really whined? That has
become such a cliche. What I mean is, those of us who do not believe that
CW should be a part of requirements for ham licensing are simply
exercising
the same "rights" we would in any other type of situation in which change
is
desired. No difference at all.

Yes I have. Both in person and on the internet, there have been numerous
individuals who simply refuse to upgrade until and unless the requirement
goes away. Whether or not it should be part of the licensing is an entirely
different issue than refusing to upgrade because one doesn't agree with that
requirement. While some may consider that approach to be a protest, it is
an ineffective protest as refusing to take the test won't get it eliminated.


I have seen people express opinions about CW--on both sides. I would not
classify any of them as whining. For instance, you have your opinion
behind
your desire to have CW remain a part of the ham radio licensure process.
The same for me on the opposite side of the fence. Is it either of us
that
is whining?

It's interesting how, because someone desires something different from
another, it is labeled as whining. I sure haven't seen any evidence of
whining. I didn't like studying the CW part of the Tech+ license; I don't
like using CW; and I don't think CW should be a part of testing.

No that is not whining because you actually went ahead and took the test.
Having studied the basic material, you are now have some background on which
to judge whether or not to pursue CW any further.


Is any of that whining?


I have had 2 CSCE's now for the morse code test, and let both of them
slip
as I see no need exercise the use of those privileges, nor can I at
this
point due to operational limitations. But apparently upgrades are
even
more
important to some here more than god.


Again, no one has a problem with a person who prefers not to upgrade and
explores those areas for which he/she is licensed. The problem arises
when
someone wants the upgrade privileges without the upgrade work.


Is that what you would classify as whining? I do not. And, you say that
someone who "wants the upgrade privileges without the upgrade work" is a
whiner. What if that person actually becomes politically involved in the
process and effects change to their--and a potential majority of
like-thinkers--way of thinking? What is so whiney(?) about that? I
respect
anyone who is willing to desire and then who is willing to effect change
through our political processes in order to *attempt* to have things their
way.

That is still a process in this country--at least for a little while
longer.


I have no problem with people working to affect a change through the
political process. The ones that I have a problem with are those who would
not take time out to pass the code while they work on achieving this change.
The process has taken a couple of decades. Who would want to wait that long
to upgrade just to avoid the code test? Such people are indeed whiners if
they can't take a little time out of their political efforts to pass the
code. While I do not agree with those who want to eliminate the code test,
if they are operating from a position of having taken the test while they
work the political end, they they have my respect. Why? Because the didn't
waste decades waiting to get on HF.

As I said before, people who are not interested in upgrading don't bother
me. They are getting what they want out of their ham activities.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE