"Dee D. Flint" wrote in message
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"Kim W5TIT" wrote in message
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"Dee D. Flint" wrote in message
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[snip] Yes I have. Both in person and on the internet, there have
been
numerous
individuals who simply refuse to upgrade until and unless the
requirement
goes away. Whether or not it should be part of the licensing is an
entirely
different issue than refusing to upgrade because one doesn't agree
with
that
requirement. While some may consider that approach to be a protest,
it
is
an ineffective protest as refusing to take the test won't get it
eliminated.


I respect your opinion, Dee, but don't understand it. Choosing not to
participate in something one does not agree with is part of the
democratic
process. If you don't agree with fishermen netting dolphins,
accidentally
or otherwise, refusing to eat fish is committing to a principle. It may
not
change a thing in terms of commercial fishing practices, but why would
someone be so dedicated to the idea of not wanting dolphins caught in
fishing nets; but then turn around and eat fish--supporting the action
so
to
speak?


Wanting HF privileges and refusing to take the code but waiting instead is
just like not wanting dolphins harmed but eating fish. Pariticipation or
non-participation has a different effect depending on what is being
protested.


I have seen people express opinions about CW--on both sides. I
would
not
classify any of them as whining. For instance, you have your
opinion
behind
your desire to have CW remain a part of the ham radio licensure
process.
The same for me on the opposite side of the fence. Is it either of
us
that
is whining?

It's interesting how, because someone desires something different
from
another, it is labeled as whining. I sure haven't seen any evidence
of
whining. I didn't like studying the CW part of the Tech+ license; I
don't
like using CW; and I don't think CW should be a part of testing.

No that is not whining because you actually went ahead and took the
test.
Having studied the basic material, you are now have some background on
which
to judge whether or not to pursue CW any further.


That may sound nice and packaged when speaking just to the issue of CW
testing in the ham radio licensure process. But, that same principle
applied to other areas doesn't work, so why should it for ham radio?

The principal does work for other areas. Just look at the noticeable
number
of college graduates who ended up pursuing a career in a field other than
that in which they received their degree. And it was generally based on
interest sparked by some non-degree course they had to take. People need
to
be exposed to a broad range of basics. In ham radio, that should include
at
least a minimal code test.



But, you have a personal dislike for what you perceive to be laziness,
and
you want a federal agency to support that personal dislike. I don't
think
the US Government should be in the business of supporting personal
dislikes--they are close enough to that as it is.


You have a personal dislike for code and want a federal agency to support
your personal dislike.

I do not have a dislike for laziness. If the person is happy being lazy
and
does not demand things he/she hasn't worked for, that's great. They are
probably the happiest people on earth. I will, however, always object to
the person who demands what they haven't earned regardless of the field of
endeavor.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE


I respectfully misunderstand, I believe. I don't know what's wrong with
wishing or demanding something one has not worked for; it will do them no
good in this case since they cannot legally operate amateur radio without a
license. I have no problem with someone screaming from the top of the world
that they "want" something. They just can't have it until they've met
whatever demands there are to have it. If they wish to seek changes to the
way of getting something they want, and those changes are made, I have no
problem with that.

Kim W5TIT


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