In article , "Ryan, KC8PMX"
writes:

Okay, thanks Larry, just wanted to clarify that.

One last other question, define "whining." Is that anything that you just
don't want to hear, or ?? Again, I am asking this actually seriously, not
fecetiously (sp.?) At least I am attempting to see your side of
it............

One could view anything that they don't wanna hear as whining, and if thats
the case I hear thousands of "whining words" on a daily basis.

Ryan:

I would define "whining" as "shrill, uncontrolled complaint, usually made on
a topic of concern to the individual making the complaint, but without any
particular basis for objection other than the subject in question is a matter
which the individual feels powerless to control, or chooses not to control
by virtue of the personal effort or expense involved. The "whining" is usually
directed at a person or organization the "whiner" considers to be responsible
for the situation to which the "whiner" objects.

I will admit that most mature, hard-working, industrious and ingenious people
definitely "don't want to hear" whining. For example, I certainly didn't
appreciate being accused of being like Hitler, and in favor of things like
"ethnic cleansing" because I supported the concept of code testing in the ARS.
I truly could have done without hearing that, to be sure! For one thing, it
quite possibly could have spared me the time I've spent on Usenet in the
last 14 years.

73 de Larry, K3LT