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Hello,
No one on here seems capable of saying exactly what the problem is. I don't want to read long boring rambling emails! Just say what's wrong in a few lines in your own words without pointing towards websites. "Marty" wrote in message ... "Jeff Maass" wrote in message ... Go and read this BPL related press release: http://www.uplc.org/?cbr_v=dcb&nt=tr...nten tbrowser Pay particular attention to paragraph three! Several people I've heard from are also emailing their comments on this release to the email contact address included in this press release. We expect that she should have a pretty full email box come Monday morning! 73, Jeff Maass K8ND Being a non-US amateur this really doesn't concern me, but after reading the media release I couldn't resist having may say on her comments about amateurs! My reply to her is copied below. Cheers Martin, VK2UMJ ---------------------- Dear Ms Patterson Whilst I am not a US citizen and so the current issue of BPL in the USA does not concern me, I am what you incorrectly referred to in your media release as a"armchair amateurs that still use vacuum tube transmitters" and as such, I feel an apology from you to all amateurs, worldwide, is warranted. Firstly, it is obvious that you are merely an "armchair media officer" that has absolutely no idea or concept of what amateur radio is, what equipment we use, and what knowledge we have. Your comments are defamatory to the entire hobby, worldwide, and are proof that the UPLC hav absolutely no interests other than their own profit margin. It seems that 'truth' is a concept that is lost on people such as yourself. The level of your own technical inadequacy is further proven by your comment in the release: "Moreover, these systems will incorporate adaptive interference mitigation capabilities that will effectively remedy any interference that might result to fixed and mobile operations in the High Frequency (HF) band (1.7-80 MHz).". Elementary school level research will tell you that the High Frequency (HF) band actually only covers from 3.0 MHz to 30 MHz, so again your own "armchair media officers that still use kindergarten research material" have shown their level of incompetence. Whilst I do not believe you are mature enough to admit your errors and apologise to the international amateur radio community for your misguided and inaccurate stereotyping, I can only hope that those in power will see your media release for the inaccurate, defamatory and poorly reasearched garbage that it is. Yours most disrespectfully Martin Howells Australian Amateur Station VK2UMJ |
"Jeff Maass" wrote in message ... Go and read this BPL related press release: http://www.uplc.org/?cbr_v=dcb&nt=tr...nten tbrowser Pay particular attention to paragraph three! The entire thing is (there is no polite way to put it ...) a stinking pile of crap and their assertions about interference ate totally contrary to the facts (not to mention the laws of physics). Carl - wk3c |
"Jeff Maass" wrote in message ... Go and read this BPL related press release: http://www.uplc.org/?cbr_v=dcb&nt=tr...nten tbrowser Pay particular attention to paragraph three! The entire thing is (there is no polite way to put it ...) a stinking pile of crap and their assertions about interference ate totally contrary to the facts (not to mention the laws of physics). Carl - wk3c |
On Sat, 26 Jun 2004 19:53:58 +0100, "jason" wrote:
Hello, No one on here seems capable of saying exactly what the problem is. I don't want to read long boring rambling emails! Just say what's wrong in a few lines in your own words without pointing towards websites. Richard Feynman, after receiving a Nobel Prize in physics, was honored at a ladies' club tea. The MC asked him to describe simply the research for which he had been given the prize. He replied, "Madam, if it could be described simply, they wouldn't have given me a prize." |
On Sat, 26 Jun 2004 19:53:58 +0100, "jason" wrote:
Hello, No one on here seems capable of saying exactly what the problem is. I don't want to read long boring rambling emails! Just say what's wrong in a few lines in your own words without pointing towards websites. Richard Feynman, after receiving a Nobel Prize in physics, was honored at a ladies' club tea. The MC asked him to describe simply the research for which he had been given the prize. He replied, "Madam, if it could be described simply, they wouldn't have given me a prize." |
Here's my note to the media assistant....probably won't do much good but I
feel better anyway. 73 - Dino KLØS/4 ----------- As a licensed amateur radio operator, FCC call sign KL0S, I am very concerned with the spectrum pollution (interference) associated with the new broadband over power line technology the FCC is considering for approval for use by the power line industry. As a retired U.S. Army officer I have had extensive experience in radio communications operations under active electronic warfare conditions and many of the those experiences mirror the noise conditions that will potentially be generated by the BPL initiative. The industry plans to use a form of power line carrier (PLC) technology using existing low and medium-voltage power lines to deliver broadband (internet) services to homes and businesses. It uses frequencies between 2 MHz and 80 MHz; and ARRL laboratory and in field tests have documented that BPL causes interference (spectrum pollution) to HF and low-VHF frequencies currently in use by the Government (Department of Defense and Homeland Security), law enforcement agencies, amateur radio and commercial businesses. Further, the current BPL technology itself may be susceptible to transmissions from other existing services. To appreciate the level of interference, please visit the ARRL web page at [http://www.arrl.org/news/stories/2003/08/08/2/?nc=1] and listen to the BPL interference recorded from one of the FCC test sites. As I mentioned the noise portrayed eerily matches that encountered during electronic warfare conditions. Contrary to power industry claims, the ARRL tests convinced me the current BPL technology will generate major interference to existing services, including amateur radio, public service and and potentially other Homeland Security communications activities such as those conducted under the MARS AND SHARES programs. The ARRL President, Mr. Jim Haynie is prepared to provide the FCC with more details. He can be reached at 214-366-9400 or Regarding the FCC Notice of Inquiry, I recommend tightening of the FCC Part 15 requirements and/or standards for power line carrier (PLC) devices to assure they will not cause interference (or be susceptible from) to existing services. In addition, I would appreciate documentation from the FCC that adequate testing has been performed to assure broadband over power line technology will not cause interference to existing services. Hopefully, this testing will be well documented and made public before the technology is approved for use by the power line industry. I recently had occasion to work with my local power provider, Dominion Virginia Power on a power distribution system generated incidental radiator that caused significant noise at my home. The power company worked expeditiously to find and resolve the problem, however I can only imagine the magnitude of the problems that potentially will be initiated by BPL type incidental radiation levels. With only that small problem (a faulty underground cable splice) my ability to communicate was severely degraded, much to the same degree as discovered by the ARRL in their fact finding mission mentioned above. All communicators, both professional and amateur sincerely hope the power line industry discovers a technical solution to the BPL interference issue so we can all enjoy the benefits of having broadband internet to our home via power lines. Constantine T. Papas Colonel United States Army Retired |
Here's my note to the media assistant....probably won't do much good but I
feel better anyway. 73 - Dino KLØS/4 ----------- As a licensed amateur radio operator, FCC call sign KL0S, I am very concerned with the spectrum pollution (interference) associated with the new broadband over power line technology the FCC is considering for approval for use by the power line industry. As a retired U.S. Army officer I have had extensive experience in radio communications operations under active electronic warfare conditions and many of the those experiences mirror the noise conditions that will potentially be generated by the BPL initiative. The industry plans to use a form of power line carrier (PLC) technology using existing low and medium-voltage power lines to deliver broadband (internet) services to homes and businesses. It uses frequencies between 2 MHz and 80 MHz; and ARRL laboratory and in field tests have documented that BPL causes interference (spectrum pollution) to HF and low-VHF frequencies currently in use by the Government (Department of Defense and Homeland Security), law enforcement agencies, amateur radio and commercial businesses. Further, the current BPL technology itself may be susceptible to transmissions from other existing services. To appreciate the level of interference, please visit the ARRL web page at [http://www.arrl.org/news/stories/2003/08/08/2/?nc=1] and listen to the BPL interference recorded from one of the FCC test sites. As I mentioned the noise portrayed eerily matches that encountered during electronic warfare conditions. Contrary to power industry claims, the ARRL tests convinced me the current BPL technology will generate major interference to existing services, including amateur radio, public service and and potentially other Homeland Security communications activities such as those conducted under the MARS AND SHARES programs. The ARRL President, Mr. Jim Haynie is prepared to provide the FCC with more details. He can be reached at 214-366-9400 or Regarding the FCC Notice of Inquiry, I recommend tightening of the FCC Part 15 requirements and/or standards for power line carrier (PLC) devices to assure they will not cause interference (or be susceptible from) to existing services. In addition, I would appreciate documentation from the FCC that adequate testing has been performed to assure broadband over power line technology will not cause interference to existing services. Hopefully, this testing will be well documented and made public before the technology is approved for use by the power line industry. I recently had occasion to work with my local power provider, Dominion Virginia Power on a power distribution system generated incidental radiator that caused significant noise at my home. The power company worked expeditiously to find and resolve the problem, however I can only imagine the magnitude of the problems that potentially will be initiated by BPL type incidental radiation levels. With only that small problem (a faulty underground cable splice) my ability to communicate was severely degraded, much to the same degree as discovered by the ARRL in their fact finding mission mentioned above. All communicators, both professional and amateur sincerely hope the power line industry discovers a technical solution to the BPL interference issue so we can all enjoy the benefits of having broadband internet to our home via power lines. Constantine T. Papas Colonel United States Army Retired |
"jason" wrote in message
... Hello, No one on here seems capable of saying exactly what the problem is. I don't want to read long boring rambling emails! Just say what's wrong in a few lines in your own words without pointing towards websites. Well, personally, I took offence at the general comments about amateur radio operators: "UPLC also commented on amateur radio opposition to the technology, urging the Commission to ignore "armchair amateurs that still use vacuum tube transmitters" and listen to the reputable companies and entrepreneurs who are the real experts on BPL and who have overcome enormous technical obstacles to make BPL a reality in the U.S. " Of course, those in the USA will probably be disputing much more than just that, but as I am not in the US I could not make comment on the entire BPL issue. No doubt, we in Australia will soon be facing similar debates as the BPL experiments continue down here!!! It would be good if the FCC decides BPL is too risky - kind of set an example that operators in other countries can use to argue their point! Cheers Martin, VK2UMJ "Marty" wrote in message ... "Jeff Maass" wrote in message ... Go and read this BPL related press release: http://www.uplc.org/?cbr_v=dcb&nt=tr...nten tbrowser Pay particular attention to paragraph three! Several people I've heard from are also emailing their comments on this release to the email contact address included in this press release. We expect that she should have a pretty full email box come Monday morning! 73, Jeff Maass K8ND Being a non-US amateur this really doesn't concern me, but after reading the media release I couldn't resist having may say on her comments about amateurs! My reply to her is copied below. Cheers Martin, VK2UMJ ---------------------- Dear Ms Patterson Whilst I am not a US citizen and so the current issue of BPL in the USA does not concern me, I am what you incorrectly referred to in your media release as a"armchair amateurs that still use vacuum tube transmitters" and as such, I feel an apology from you to all amateurs, worldwide, is warranted. Firstly, it is obvious that you are merely an "armchair media officer" that has absolutely no idea or concept of what amateur radio is, what equipment we use, and what knowledge we have. Your comments are defamatory to the entire hobby, worldwide, and are proof that the UPLC hav absolutely no interests other than their own profit margin. It seems that 'truth' is a concept that is lost on people such as yourself. The level of your own technical inadequacy is further proven by your comment in the release: "Moreover, these systems will incorporate adaptive interference mitigation capabilities that will effectively remedy any interference that might result to fixed and mobile operations in the High Frequency (HF) band (1.7-80 MHz).". Elementary school level research will tell you that the High Frequency (HF) band actually only covers from 3.0 MHz to 30 MHz, so again your own "armchair media officers that still use kindergarten research material" have shown their level of incompetence. Whilst I do not believe you are mature enough to admit your errors and apologise to the international amateur radio community for your misguided and inaccurate stereotyping, I can only hope that those in power will see your media release for the inaccurate, defamatory and poorly reasearched garbage that it is. Yours most disrespectfully Martin Howells Australian Amateur Station VK2UMJ |
"jason" wrote in message
... Hello, No one on here seems capable of saying exactly what the problem is. I don't want to read long boring rambling emails! Just say what's wrong in a few lines in your own words without pointing towards websites. Well, personally, I took offence at the general comments about amateur radio operators: "UPLC also commented on amateur radio opposition to the technology, urging the Commission to ignore "armchair amateurs that still use vacuum tube transmitters" and listen to the reputable companies and entrepreneurs who are the real experts on BPL and who have overcome enormous technical obstacles to make BPL a reality in the U.S. " Of course, those in the USA will probably be disputing much more than just that, but as I am not in the US I could not make comment on the entire BPL issue. No doubt, we in Australia will soon be facing similar debates as the BPL experiments continue down here!!! It would be good if the FCC decides BPL is too risky - kind of set an example that operators in other countries can use to argue their point! Cheers Martin, VK2UMJ "Marty" wrote in message ... "Jeff Maass" wrote in message ... Go and read this BPL related press release: http://www.uplc.org/?cbr_v=dcb&nt=tr...nten tbrowser Pay particular attention to paragraph three! Several people I've heard from are also emailing their comments on this release to the email contact address included in this press release. We expect that she should have a pretty full email box come Monday morning! 73, Jeff Maass K8ND Being a non-US amateur this really doesn't concern me, but after reading the media release I couldn't resist having may say on her comments about amateurs! My reply to her is copied below. Cheers Martin, VK2UMJ ---------------------- Dear Ms Patterson Whilst I am not a US citizen and so the current issue of BPL in the USA does not concern me, I am what you incorrectly referred to in your media release as a"armchair amateurs that still use vacuum tube transmitters" and as such, I feel an apology from you to all amateurs, worldwide, is warranted. Firstly, it is obvious that you are merely an "armchair media officer" that has absolutely no idea or concept of what amateur radio is, what equipment we use, and what knowledge we have. Your comments are defamatory to the entire hobby, worldwide, and are proof that the UPLC hav absolutely no interests other than their own profit margin. It seems that 'truth' is a concept that is lost on people such as yourself. The level of your own technical inadequacy is further proven by your comment in the release: "Moreover, these systems will incorporate adaptive interference mitigation capabilities that will effectively remedy any interference that might result to fixed and mobile operations in the High Frequency (HF) band (1.7-80 MHz).". Elementary school level research will tell you that the High Frequency (HF) band actually only covers from 3.0 MHz to 30 MHz, so again your own "armchair media officers that still use kindergarten research material" have shown their level of incompetence. Whilst I do not believe you are mature enough to admit your errors and apologise to the international amateur radio community for your misguided and inaccurate stereotyping, I can only hope that those in power will see your media release for the inaccurate, defamatory and poorly reasearched garbage that it is. Yours most disrespectfully Martin Howells Australian Amateur Station VK2UMJ |
jason wrote:
Hello, No one on here seems capable of saying exactly what the problem is. I don't want to read long boring rambling emails! Just say what's wrong in a few lines in your own words without pointing towards websites. BPL comes into your house at the power company service box. Even if you don not connect to it. It creates S9++ signals from 2 to 80 MHz. You can't hear anything on your new 10,000 dollar ICOM 7800 or any other radio except 'Data Hash'. Is that clear enough?? |
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