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I am finding that WindowsXP is allowing 20 cookies (plus other stuff ) a day
to attach to my computor which requires the use of another program to be activated every day to quarentine them. Thinking of going back to the Netscape browser so as to keep the computor cleen. Also interested in how much it would cost for firewalls to bring WindowsXP back to the protective level of Netscape 7.1. Comments (Yes I know it is not antenna related, unless you need a computor to read antenna postings or use WindowsXP for antenna software!) Art |
On Thu, 09 Dec 2004 20:49:10 GMT, "
wrote: I am finding that WindowsXP is allowing 20 cookies (plus other stuff ) a day to attach to my computor which requires the use of another program to be activated every day to quarentine them. Thinking of going back to the Netscape browser so as to keep the computor cleen. Also interested in how much it would cost for firewalls to bring WindowsXP back to the protective level of Netscape 7.1. Comments (Yes I know it is not antenna related, unless you need a computor to read antenna postings or use WindowsXP for antenna software!) Art I assume you've downloaded the free Service Pack 2 for Windows XP. It adds all kinds of security features. On Windows XP, you can go into the Control Panel to "Windows Firewall" and activate it, if it is not already activated. You can also go into Internet Explorer, to Tools, to Internet Options, to Privacy, and increase your security to hold most, if not all, Cookies in check. Bob k5qwg |
Yup. Heard on a computor discussion that XP was as open as a barn door and
over time the computor got slower and slower. They also stated that Netscape apparently not subject that much to attacks Didn't take much notice at the time until I bought a 3 Gig processor and after a while checked how much junk had unknowingly been attached to it, one of which had slowed me down till it shut down completely! I wouldn't be surprised if this newsnet did add junk every time you linked to it. "Jim - NN7K" wrote in message . com... If you are going to do that - go to " Mozilla.org " as understand, they created Netscape's software -- and get their new browser "Mozilla Firefox " and their companion e-mail server " Mozilla Thunderbird" - both are freebies and, that the ones I useing- has all the conveniences of outlook/and I.E. 6, but seems to be friendlier to blocking junk, and not as vulnerable to the security holes that M/S has. Give it a try ! Jim NN7K , Art, wrote: I am finding that WindowsXP is allowing 20 cookies (plus other stuff ) a day to attach to my computor which requires the use of another program to be activated every day to quarentine them. Thinking of going back to the Netscape browser so as to keep the computor cleen. Also interested in how much it would cost for firewalls to bring WindowsXP back to the protective level of Netscape 7.1. Comments (Yes I know it is not antenna related, unless you need a computor to read antenna postings or use WindowsXP for antenna software!) Art |
" wrote in message news:aT2ud.231357$R05.32013@attbi_s53... I am finding that WindowsXP is allowing 20 cookies (plus other stuff ) a day to attach to my computor which requires the use of another program to be activated every day to quarentine them. Thinking of going back to the Netscape browser so as to keep the computor cleen. Also interested in how much it would cost for firewalls to bring WindowsXP back to the protective level of Netscape 7.1. Comments (Yes I know it is not antenna related, unless you need a computor to read antenna postings or use WindowsXP for antenna software!) Art I lost confidence in netscape when aol took it over. Try mozilla firefox (it is free) or Avant browser (also free) --- also download the free firewall (zoneAlarm) from zone labs and-- free antivirus software (AVG) and you can replace microsoft office with OpenOffice .org and if you can find some scrap wire, we can talk about a free antenna :-) --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.807 / Virus Database: 549 - Release Date: 12/7/2004 |
On Thu, 09 Dec 2004 22:29:31 GMT, "
wrote: Yup. Heard on a computor discussion that XP was as open as a barn door and over time the computor got slower and slower. Hi Art, I hear that so often now. They also stated that Netscape apparently not subject that much to attacks Netscape has its own problems, but not like the MS suite. Didn't take much notice at the time until I bought a 3 Gig processor and after a while checked how much junk had unknowingly been attached to it, one of which had slowed me down till it shut down completely! I only have to look at your headers to see you use Outlook Express which is a piece of trash. It has the worst reputation as being a virus whore. I wouldn't be surprised if this newsnet did add junk every time you linked to it. News groups might be mined for emails for subsequent Spam, but there is nothing in the NNTP (protocol) that would allow anyone to attach anything to your computer. This kind of stuff comes automatically as a customer enhancement by MS for IE and OE users and arrives by email or through visits on the Web. There are no trojan horses, viruses, cookies, advertising (pop up windows that is, there is still Spam of course) or spyware that can infect your machine through participating in newsgroup activity. I've gotten what looks like a potential virus sent to me because they got my name here. WAMU frequently is part of the subject heading or in the message. This may not be a virus (as the ISP certifies it is not) but rather a Phising link. No problem, my mail reader is not going to run it, open it, or do anything without my permission. I simply trash that stuff. Been doing that for 10 years with either Eudora or Agent and never been burnt except once (trusted a friend) - then fixed that the next day after the infected Comcast ISP servers stopped thrashing themselves to death. Yup, they were using MS servers. For anyone seriously interested in the mortar between their firewall bricks, go to: http://grc.com/default.htm and page down to the heading "Your Three Musketeers" There are at least a half dozen security checks there that can inspect your machine for back doors and potential hacker access. Very simple software, loads fast, runs fast, and says quite plainly in English, "You are Safe" or "You are in Trouble." 73's Richard Clark, KB7QHC |
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Interesting.
So, do you still use Windows with a replacement for Outlook Express together with the link that you pointed to or do you pay for extra computor protection? I must admit that I thought everything was as one should expect until I used the free ' adware' to check how clean or dirty the computor was and I was really shocked. Fortunately with the help of an inserted disc I am able to run my antenna programs in what I see as a DOS emulator which allows me to use high speed processing without the fear of outside interference and slow down. I have heard that Netscape has its problems but does not have enough useage to attract bad guys and commercial collectors. Tho I have done computor programming in Fortran and the like in the old days when we used punched tape I must admit to being totally illiterate when computors changed over to pre caned programming to which I turned up my nose too, only to find I was quickly left behind and not adaptable to change. Regards Art "Richard Clark" wrote in message ... On Thu, 09 Dec 2004 22:29:31 GMT, " wrote: Yup. Heard on a computor discussion that XP was as open as a barn door and over time the computor got slower and slower. Hi Art, I hear that so often now. They also stated that Netscape apparently not subject that much to attacks Netscape has its own problems, but not like the MS suite. Didn't take much notice at the time until I bought a 3 Gig processor and after a while checked how much junk had unknowingly been attached to it, one of which had slowed me down till it shut down completely! I only have to look at your headers to see you use Outlook Express which is a piece of trash. It has the worst reputation as being a virus whore. I wouldn't be surprised if this newsnet did add junk every time you linked to it. News groups might be mined for emails for subsequent Spam, but there is nothing in the NNTP (protocol) that would allow anyone to attach anything to your computer. This kind of stuff comes automatically as a customer enhancement by MS for IE and OE users and arrives by email or through visits on the Web. There are no trojan horses, viruses, cookies, advertising (pop up windows that is, there is still Spam of course) or spyware that can infect your machine through participating in newsgroup activity. I've gotten what looks like a potential virus sent to me because they got my name here. WAMU frequently is part of the subject heading or in the message. This may not be a virus (as the ISP certifies it is not) but rather a Phising link. No problem, my mail reader is not going to run it, open it, or do anything without my permission. I simply trash that stuff. Been doing that for 10 years with either Eudora or Agent and never been burnt except once (trusted a friend) - then fixed that the next day after the infected Comcast ISP servers stopped thrashing themselves to death. Yup, they were using MS servers. For anyone seriously interested in the mortar between their firewall bricks, go to: http://grc.com/default.htm and page down to the heading "Your Three Musketeers" There are at least a half dozen security checks there that can inspect your machine for back doors and potential hacker access. Very simple software, loads fast, runs fast, and says quite plainly in English, "You are Safe" or "You are in Trouble." 73's Richard Clark, KB7QHC |
"Mike Coslo" wrote in message ... wrote: I am finding that WindowsXP is allowing 20 cookies (plus other stuff ) a day to attach to my computor which requires the use of another program to be activated every day to quarentine them. Thinking of going back to the Netscape browser so as to keep the computor cleen. Also interested in how much it would cost for firewalls to bring WindowsXP back to the protective level of Netscape 7.1. Comments (Yes I know it is not antenna related, unless you need a computor to read antenna postings or use WindowsXP for antenna software!) Hey Art, here are my suggestions: 1. Get Zonealarm, Preferably version 4.xx 3. Get Netscape, or one of the flavors of its engine, such as Firefox. Use this to get your mail, and read newsgroups too. 4. Start Internet Exploder one last time. When Zonealarm pops up and asks if Exploder can have access to the net, then click "remember" and deny it permission. By denying IEEEEEEE! permission to ever access the web on your machine, you will be doing humanity a great favor. Same for Outlook. If you get the paid version of Zonealarm, you can have it delete all cookies every day. You can also select ones you want to keep, if any. 5. Consider using a proxy server such as Proxomitron,(freeware) especially if you are on Cable, or DSL. 6. Always change the updates feature of your computer so that you manually do the updates. If you automatically update, you will find that Microsoft may make your computer more secure by making it less operative! 8^) Hope this helps! Mike EVERY thing I am getting is a real help and an education for me I did get a private E mail that high lighted a version of Netscape that with a press of + or - you can make reading news much easier to read by enlarging the script ! I am sure that there is more than one old guy like myself on this newsgroup who would apreciate such an aid . With respect to the advice coming in, I wonder how many have checked their computors with 'adware' to verify the veracity of what they have stated? Regarding the aditional purchase of 'Zonealarm' , I am trying to resist placing more money in to computors e.t.c.when the origional suppliers of programming were derelict in providing adequate protection in the first place, but I am not totally stubborn to the idea of admitting defeat. Regards Art Regards Art - Mike KB3EIA - |
On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 01:10:13 GMT, "
wrote: Interesting. So, do you still use Windows with a replacement for Outlook Express together with the link that you pointed to or do you pay for extra computor protection? I abandoned the home versions of Windows long long ago (I use Win2000 Pro). I got it pretty cheap as a computer upgrade, all I had to do was buy some hardware to qualify, and I bought the hard disk that I have it running on right now, in the old system (just added it as drive two, and use the original drive for storage). I have NEVER used Outlook Express. I bought Agent after using Free Agent for a year. I wanted to combine my News reader with a Mail reader that had very good filters. Those filters, once I trained them, act like bug zappers and automatically trash Spam. I have 8 filters that steer acceptable email to different folders; I have 10 filters that deletes porn; I have 4 filters that ignore odds and ends that I can look at if I want (but ends up in the trash anyway). Agent is $35 and I've been using it for 8 years. I am also using Firefox now (it lit up in seconds where Netscape stumbled along). I also use Agnitum Outpost Firewall (free version). It always lets me know when some piece of trash wants to call home. I say no, and then take out the trash. I must admit that I thought everything was as one should expect until I used the free ' adware' to check how clean or dirty the computor was and I was really shocked. Fortunately with the help of an inserted disc I am able to run my antenna programs in what I see as a DOS emulator which allows me to use high speed processing without the fear of outside interference and slow down. I have heard that Netscape has its problems but does not have enough useage to attract bad guys and commercial collectors. That has nothing to do with it. It is the "features" of IE and OE that are the back doors to the system. Do you want to share your printer with the world? MS thinks you do, and has designed this into their OS as a special feature for your "benefit." Tho I have done computor programming in Fortran and the like in the old days when we used punched tape I must admit to being totally illiterate when computors changed over to pre caned programming to which I turned up my nose too, only to find I was quickly left behind and not adaptable to change. It just runs faster. Being bigger means no one person really understands it all. When the operating systems were 15,000 bytes big, you could figure it out in a weekend. Multiply that by a million weekends. Only Chinese teenagers have that kind of patience. 73's Richard Clark, KB7QHC |
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"Allodoxaphobia" wrote in message ... On Thu, 09 Dec 2004 20:49:10 GMT, hath writ: I am finding that WindowsXP is allowing 20 cookies (plus other stuff ) a day delete Ok,Ok,Ok e.t.c Since Mike gave specific directions as to what to do to get the job done so I am leaning towards most of what he suggests ( don't under stand the proxy server bit tho). Thanks to everybody tho for their inputs including those you gave a better choice to the one that I am leaning towards. Need to get back to antennas or swr before the net policeman scolds me for using this net for unofficial postings Best Regards. Regarding operation.. they vacuumed all the parts that was left of my fragile gall bladder after it crumpled .Unfortunately they got nosy and took a sliver of my liver among other things and are suggesting that I must be some sort of hidden alcoholic ( I am teatotal but they take some convincing, tho I do admit to a glass of wine for toasting at a wedding some months ago) Maybe we can attribute the internal mayhem to this laptop and Windows XP, sperm count doesn't matter now. Art How many times do you have to be told? Firefox Firefox Firefox Firefox Firefox Firefox Firefox Firefox Firefox Firefox Firefox Firefox Firefox Firefox Firefox Firefox Firefox Firefox Firefox Firefox Firefox Firefox Firefox Firefox Firefox Firefox Firefox Firefox Firefox Firefox Firefox Firefox Firefox Firefox Firefox Firefox Firefox Firefox Firefox Firefox Firefox Firefox Firefox Firefox Firefox Firefox Firefox Firefox Firefox Firefox Firefox Firefox Firefox Firefox Firefox :-) The other recommendation, of course is _linux_ ! I've been nearly 100% on linux here since migrating away from OS/2 over a year ago. I went to OS/2 back in 1992 after getting hit with the "Stoned" PC virus -- the olde, floppy disk boot sector style -- on Windows 3.1. I've never looked back, and never regreted it. Oh, yes -- almost forgot : Firefox! gl Jonesy -- | Marvin L Jones | jonz | W3DHJ | linux | Gunnison, Colorado | @ | Jonesy | OS/2 __ | 7,703' -- 2,345m | config.com | DM68mn SK |
I lost confidence in netscape when aol took it over.
Try mozilla firefox (it is free) or Avant browser (also free) --- also download the free firewall (zoneAlarm) from zone labs and-- free antivirus software (AVG) and you can replace microsoft office with OpenOffice .org and if you can find some scrap wire, we can talk about a free antenna :-) The Avant browser is really a good one - maybe even better than Mozilla Firefox - Mosaic, though may not suite your needs. but by all means - anything but IE --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.807 / Virus Database: 549 - Release Date: 12/7/2004 |
How many times do you have to be told? Firefox Firefox Firefox Firefox Firefox Firefox Firefox Firefox Firefox Firefox Firefox Firefox Firefox Firefox Firefox Firefox Firefox Firefox Firefox Firefox Firefox Firefox Firefox Firefox Firefox Firefox Firefox Firefox Firefox Firefox Firefox Firefox Firefox Firefox Firefox Firefox Firefox Firefox Firefox Firefox Firefox Firefox Firefox Firefox Firefox Firefox Firefox Firefox Firefox Firefox Firefox Firefox Firefox Firefox Firefox *********** But what do you think of ** Firefox** ************** I like firefox, too - but have you tried 'Avant' ? you may be pleasantly surprised - but oops - it may not work with linux ********** and mozilla also has a good mail client / newsgroup reader (Thunderbird) ********** :-) The other recommendation, of course is _linux_ ! I've been nearly 100% on linux here since migrating away from OS/2 over a year ago. I went to OS/2 back in 1992 after getting hit with the "Stoned" PC virus -- the olde, floppy disk boot sector style -- on Windows 3.1. I've never looked back, and never regreted it. Oh, yes -- almost forgot : Firefox! gl Jonesy --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.807 / Virus Database: 549 - Release Date: 12/7/2004 |
Richard Clark wrote:
On Thu, 09 Dec 2004 22:29:31 GMT, " wrote: and after a while checked how much junk had unknowingly been attached to it, one of which had slowed me down till it shut down completely! I only have to look at your headers to see you use Outlook Express which is a piece of trash. It has the worst reputation as being a virus whore. No, it's a TOXIC whore . . ! . . . This may not be a virus (as the ISP certifies it is not) but rather a Phising link. No problem, my mail reader is not going to run it, open it, or do anything without my permission. I simply trash that stuff. Been doing that for 10 years with either Eudora or Agent . . . I've been running Eudora since Win 3.1.1 days, beautiful, just plain clean, simple and to the point beautiful. Even though it doesn't have many of the bells & whistles Outlook has. I don't need Microsloth's autodialer, etc. Since you're running Agent maybe you can answer a question Richard. Backgrounder: 'Wayback I used Free Agent which worked like a champ. In those days I accessed USENET via my ISP's paid subscription to some second-tier USENET servers. My ISP is a litle dialup/DSL store-front operation here in the neighborhood. Under circumstances and for reasons long lost in my brainbone I've been accessing the newsgroups via Google instead of his service for a number of years. Which is getting *really* annoying. In the meanwhile my ISP dropped his old USENET subsciption by virtue of non-use by his customers which leaves me dangling. I'm very inclined to get back to using Agent even if I have to pay for it (sob!). How, exactly Richard, do you access the USENET groups with Agent? 73's Richard Clark, KB7QHC w3rv |
On 9 Dec 2004 22:41:53 -0800, wrote:
I'm very inclined to get back to using Agent even if I have to pay for it (sob!). How, exactly Richard, do you access the USENET groups with Agent? Hi Kelly, The folks at Forte (agent) are also in the business of providing their own premium news feeds over the net for as low as $3 a month that would easily satisfy a text based interest. Visit: http://www.forteinc.com/apn/index.php You could still, easily get by on their current FreeAgent. Very robust and still cheap for the full featured version. Access comes via Comcast. This means I have to come in through the connection. I also have an ISP who provides me a Primary Shell for one of my several Web sites, and I can get into their News Feed over the net. My Primary Shell "can" cost as low as $7 a month if you pay by credit card in 6 month blocks or you can get a modem connection for $16 a month (in 6 month blocks), anyway visit: http://www.eskimo.com/ I pay much more, of course because I'm on high speed (not to speak of also having three web sites to support) - but then, its my work. I'm not sure if that answers your question as to "how" I use it. Their help function answers that, but if you have configuration questions I can certainly help - I did that for Walt a couple years back. He sometimes curses Agent, but he isn't plagued by virus. 73's Richard Clark, KB7QHC |
On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 00:42:15 GMT, Richard Clark
wrote: | |For anyone seriously interested in the mortar between their firewall |bricks, go to: |http://grc.com/default.htm |and page down to the heading "Your Three Musketeers" |There are at least a half dozen security checks there that can inspect |your machine for back doors and potential hacker access. Very simple |software, loads fast, runs fast, and says quite plainly in English, |"You are Safe" or "You are in Trouble." McAfee VirusScan thought "I was in trouble" when I tried to download one of these. I'll stick to my oooold versions of Eudora, Free Agent and Firefox. |
On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 07:36:50 -0700, Wes Stewart
wrote: McAfee VirusScan thought "I was in trouble" when I tried to download one of these. Hi Wes, I gave up on Virus software years ago too. They always seem to be one infection behind. The only time I got the sniffles would have had the bug waltzing right by it undetected. If that's the level of competence I can get for $50 a year, I wonder what it would have cost for a package to have caught that last bug that got me. Anyway, those utilities offered by grc.com disinfect the system by strengthening the natural defenses instead of trying to look at every byte coming in the pipe. Virus-ware can be cpu hogs - or at least they were when I sampled them a long time ago. When I watch my friends grow moss waiting for their systems to boot beneath their load, I must say that my bias remains confirmed. 73's Richard Clark, KB7QHC |
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Allodoxaphobia wrote:
Firefox Firefox Firefox Firefox Firefox Firefox Firefox Firefox Firefox :-) The other recommendation, of course is _linux_ ! I've been nearly 100% on linux here since migrating away from OS/2 over a year ago. I went to OS/2 back in 1992 after getting hit with the "Stoned" PC virus -- the olde, floppy disk boot sector style -- on Windows 3.1. I've never looked back, and never regreted it. Oh, yes -- almost forgot : Firefox! gl Jonesy I agree with Jonesy to a great extent. I am the security guy, amongst other things, at our ISP, so here's my short list on how to keep your PC _YOUR_ PC 1 Don't run a Microsoft OS 2 Don't run a Microsoft OS. 3 If you must run Windows, don't use IE or Outlook (or Express), no exceptions. Eevr. The suggestion on permanently blocking IE with the firewall sounds good, I hadn't heard of that one, but I still wouldn't use IE on anything but a machine with no network connection. 4 See rule #3. 5 No really, reread rule #3. I'm very serious here. 6 If you insist on using Windows use Mozilla, Firefox, Lynx, Opera, or any of the other freeware or open source browsers. For mail use Eudora, already mentioned, or Pegasus, my favotite. I have no knowledge of Agent, so I can't comment. 7 Install a decent antivirus suite, such as McAfee, Norton, Dr Solomon, etc. 8 Install an anti spyware, such as SpyBot etc. 9 Or just don't run a Microsoft OS All in all, the group is very much right on point on this subject. tom K0TAR |
Dave Bushong wrote: wrote: I am finding that WindowsXP is allowing 20 cookies (plus other stuff ) a day [...] HEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! REC . RADIO . AMATEUR . ANTENNA Yo! NetCop! Wassup? - Mike KB3EIA |
Tom Ring wrote:
Allodoxaphobia wrote: Firefox Firefox Firefox Firefox Firefox Firefox Firefox Firefox Firefox :-) The other recommendation, of course is _linux_ ! I've been nearly 100% on linux here since migrating away from OS/2 over a year ago. I went to OS/2 back in 1992 after getting hit with the "Stoned" PC virus -- the olde, floppy disk boot sector style -- on Windows 3.1. I've never looked back, and never regreted it. Oh, yes -- almost forgot : Firefox! gl Jonesy I agree with Jonesy to a great extent. I am the security guy, amongst other things, at our ISP, so here's my short list on how to keep your PC _YOUR_ PC 1 Don't run a Microsoft OS 2 Don't run a Microsoft OS. 3 If you must run Windows, don't use IE or Outlook (or Express), no exceptions. Eevr. The suggestion on permanently blocking IE with the firewall sounds good, I hadn't heard of that one, but I still wouldn't use IE on anything but a machine with no network connection. 4 See rule #3. 5 No really, reread rule #3. I'm very serious here. 6 If you insist on using Windows use Mozilla, Firefox, Lynx, Opera, or any of the other freeware or open source browsers. For mail use Eudora, already mentioned, or Pegasus, my favotite. I have no knowledge of Agent, so I can't comment. 7 Install a decent antivirus suite, such as McAfee, Norton, Dr Solomon, etc. 8 Install an anti spyware, such as SpyBot etc. 9 Or just don't run a Microsoft OS All in all, the group is very much right on point on this subject. tom K0TAR Don't forget that Internet Explorer is hard coded into Windows XP and is active at all times. Dave WD9BDZ |
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"Allodoxaphobia" wrote in message ... On Thu, 09 Dec 2004 20:49:10 GMT, hath writ: I am finding that WindowsXP is allowing 20 cookies (plus other stuff ) a day delete Ok,Ok,Ok e.t.c Since Mike gave specific directions as to what to do to get the job done so I am leaning towards most of what he suggests ( don't under stand the proxy server bit tho). The proxy server is a bit of hardware or software that sits between your programs and the rest of the net. If we take the proxy server I use as an example, (Proxomitron) it will block or allow various things as I set it. Examples are that it will block pop-ups, nosey Javascripts, and banners. It also has a list function that will block anything from certain ip addresses or servers. It can also fake cookies so that some sites that won't work without cookies will work. Some still won't work, but noting is perfect. Its biggest drawback is that it adds some time to the page loading. A couple seconds or so, except for some pages such as Yahoo, which slow down a good bit (for a good reason) Thanks to everybody tho for their inputs including those you gave a better choice to the one that I am leaning towards. Need to get back to antennas or swr before the net policeman scolds me for using this net for unofficial postings PAH! We use our browsers to dl our antenna software and post here in the group. And this whole thread is helping a member in good standing. It's near enough to on topic, IMO. IOW, if someone doesn't like what I'm posting, they are free (and most strenuously encouraged) to filter me. If they need instructions I will be most happy to give them some! I can't contribute a whole lot in this group in the antenna arena, so I like to help where I can. - Mike KB3EIA - |
David G. Nagel wrote:
Don't forget that Internet Explorer is hard coded into Windows XP and is active at all times. You bet! That is why it is important to deny it access to the web with your firewall. It doesn't hurt to cut out Windows media player while you are at it. - Mike KB3EIA - |
David G. Nagel wrote:
Tom Ring wrote: Allodoxaphobia wrote: Firefox Firefox Firefox Firefox Firefox Firefox Firefox Firefox Firefox :-) The other recommendation, of course is _linux_ ! I've been nearly 100% on linux here since migrating away from OS/2 over a year ago. I went to OS/2 back in 1992 after getting hit with the "Stoned" PC virus -- the olde, floppy disk boot sector style -- on Windows 3.1. I've never looked back, and never regreted it. Oh, yes -- almost forgot : Firefox! gl Jonesy I agree with Jonesy to a great extent. I am the security guy, amongst other things, at our ISP, so here's my short list on how to keep your PC _YOUR_ PC 1 Don't run a Microsoft OS 2 Don't run a Microsoft OS. 3 If you must run Windows, don't use IE or Outlook (or Express), no exceptions. Eevr. The suggestion on permanently blocking IE with the firewall sounds good, I hadn't heard of that one, but I still wouldn't use IE on anything but a machine with no network connection. 4 See rule #3. 5 No really, reread rule #3. I'm very serious here. 6 If you insist on using Windows use Mozilla, Firefox, Lynx, Opera, or any of the other freeware or open source browsers. For mail use Eudora, already mentioned, or Pegasus, my favotite. I have no knowledge of Agent, so I can't comment. 7 Install a decent antivirus suite, such as McAfee, Norton, Dr Solomon, etc. 8 Install an anti spyware, such as SpyBot etc. 9 Or just don't run a Microsoft OS All in all, the group is very much right on point on this subject. tom K0TAR Don't forget that Internet Explorer is hard coded into Windows XP and is active at all times. Dave WD9BDZ Yes, IE is coded in, but that's because it is integral with the file browsers. I'm running XP Pro. 90% of the time I use Netscape 7.2, which is a step up from 7.1. It has a nice junk mail filter and popup blocker built in. With the browser you can have multiple web sites opened up with only one instance of the browser. The mail and newsgroup section can manage multiple mail servers and news servers. Some of the buttons seem to have gone away, but I found them again as configuration items. But, where IE is really useful is running it in the FTP mode. I can connect to my web site with a single command and use click and drag to move anything I want to. An incredibly handy little thing. This works with anonymous ftp sites as well. I haven't found Netscape to be interactive with the file browsers. My mail servers are all spam and virus filtered, so not much gets past them. Netscape then takes care of the rest. I also use Netscape 7.1 on Unix. It works great on my Ultra-450 running Solaris 8. I have IE on there, but the newest version supported is only 5.1, I think. I run 6.2 here. It works, but not real well. It's a pretty hooky setup. McAfee runs on both Unix systems and PCs and works very well. You do have to keep up with it. I get a dat file update about once a week. Daily some times, when the hackers are real active. My Unix install scans 20 servers and about 10 TBytes of data in a weeks time. It is not common to find a virus lurking around but when there is one, it finds it. Of course, the only ones it finds are Linux viruses. For this, and many other reasons, I wouldn't recommend Linux to anyone. But, in the end, I don't have many complaints about XP and IE. I wish IE had a popup blocker like Netscape. The popups do get through, but I have never had a problem with throwing them away as soon as they pop up. I do highly recommend Netscape. I have found that it renders everything very closely to IE and FireFox. Some minor differences but nothing great. -- Martin E. Meserve - K7MEM http://www.k7mem.com |
I had to switch from Firefox 1.0 to Mozilla due to a problem in saving
web page content to my local hard drive v-e-r-y s-l-o-w, as in 100% CPU utilization for 1 to 5 minutes, and sometime hanging (I'm running XP Pro on this machine, Mandrake 9.2 on the laptop and servers). Thunderbird has no trouble at all, but when I made the switch, the pop-ups and banners came in a deluge! Then I installed Proxomitron with no special settings (I'm still figuring out its capabilities) and at least 90% of the junk went away. Three cheers for freeware! Ted KX4OM On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 19:30:58 -0600, Tom Ring wrote: Allodoxaphobia wrote: Firefox Firefox Firefox Firefox Firefox Firefox Firefox Firefox Firefox :-) The other recommendation, of course is _linux_ ! I've been nearly 100% on linux here since migrating away from OS/2 over a year ago. I went to OS/2 back in 1992 after getting hit with the "Stoned" PC virus -- the olde, floppy disk boot sector style -- on Windows 3.1. I've never looked back, and never regreted it. Oh, yes -- almost forgot : Firefox! gl Jonesy I agree with Jonesy to a great extent. I am the security guy, amongst other things, at our ISP, so here's my short list on how to keep your PC _YOUR_ PC 1 Don't run a Microsoft OS 2 Don't run a Microsoft OS. 3 If you must run Windows, don't use IE or Outlook (or Express), no exceptions. Eevr. The suggestion on permanently blocking IE with the firewall sounds good, I hadn't heard of that one, but I still wouldn't use IE on anything but a machine with no network connection. 4 See rule #3. 5 No really, reread rule #3. I'm very serious here. 6 If you insist on using Windows use Mozilla, Firefox, Lynx, Opera, or any of the other freeware or open source browsers. For mail use Eudora, already mentioned, or Pegasus, my favotite. I have no knowledge of Agent, so I can't comment. 7 Install a decent antivirus suite, such as McAfee, Norton, Dr Solomon, etc. 8 Install an anti spyware, such as SpyBot etc. 9 Or just don't run a Microsoft OS All in all, the group is very much right on point on this subject. tom K0TAR |
On Thu, 9 Dec 2004 23:50:02 -0500, "Hal Rosser"
wrote: | I lost confidence in netscape when aol took it over. | Try mozilla firefox (it is free) | or | Avant browser (also free) | --- also download the free firewall (zoneAlarm) from zone labs | and-- free antivirus software (AVG) | and you can replace microsoft office with OpenOffice .org | and if you can find some scrap wire, we can talk about a free antenna | :-) | | |The Avant browser is really a good one - maybe even better than Mozilla |Firefox |- Mosaic, though may not suite your needs. |but by all means - anything but IE As I said elsewhere, I use Firebird, predecessor to Firefox. Unfortunately, some web sites almost demand IE. The attitude is that since 99% of the users are using IE, that's the thing to code for. (I know this because I've had this discussion with my son, who is the IT guru for a nationwide corporation) I have IRA's at both Schwab and Vanguard. Some of their "features" simply will not work in anything but IE. Threats to move my money to the other guy if they don't fix this fall on deaf ears. Same with my credit union. For example the login page "moves" three times while loading in Firefox. If I start typing my login info too soon, the boxes move and login fails. Tech support couldn't care less. But these are the same guys who, although 80% of the users have a dial-up connection, assume that everyone has a personal T1 line to their server and can download their bloated pages instantly. |
There may be some readers who are not sure what the postings are all about
and why the "Fuss" ..I just linked up to the "BBC "home page which shows their policy towards"privacy and cookies" For those who are illiterate with respect to computors and just accept what is supplied with the computor as purchased, reviewing the privacy policy provided allows the viewer simplified steps to take to protect oneself based on the browser IN USE. It does not provide the expertise offered by this knoweledgable group but it does offer a preliminary stage of protection by providing step by step computor instructions to get started for the illiterate such as I , plus a bit more indepth discussion of what unknown attachments and cookies actual do when invading your privacy. On a side note with respect to some computors slowing down. Are the Windows based computor programs with respect to antenna modelling also subject to overload or slowing down problems or are they some how immune to the described problems? Fortunately my program is DOS based so I still enjoy the benefits of the 3 Gig time saver of the processor. But then......... ignorance could be seen as bliss. Art " wrote in message news:aT2ud.231357$R05.32013@attbi_s53... I am finding that WindowsXP is allowing 20 cookies (plus other stuff ) a day to attach to my computor which requires the use of another program to be activated every day to quarentine them. Thinking of going back to the Netscape browser so as to keep the computor cleen. Also interested in how much it would cost for firewalls to bring WindowsXP back to the protective level of Netscape 7.1. Comments (Yes I know it is not antenna related, unless you need a computor to read antenna postings or use WindowsXP for antenna software!) Art |
Mike Coslo wrote:
Dave Bushong wrote: wrote: I am finding that WindowsXP is allowing 20 cookies (plus other stuff ) a day [...] HEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! REC . RADIO . AMATEUR . ANTENNA Yo! NetCop! Wassup? - Mike KB3EIA Hi Mike, Thanks for your followup posting, and here is Wassup. I'm not a "NetCop", but instead, an "Elmer". I teach new hams not to stick a fork into the light socket, not to transmit on a dual-band radio on band "B" when you are listening on band "A", and other embarrassing things. I also teach new newsgroup posters that posting an article, and then nearly 30 followups, to an antenna newsgroup, is wrong. It is wrong because people who subscribe to the rec.radio.amateur.antenna newsgroup have a reasonable expectation that postings here will have something to do with ham radio antennas, or at least ham radio, or maybe radio, or at least antennas, or maybe even CB microphones. Not cookies. With 40,000+ newsgroups out there, there is just no reason to post a generic "help-me" message about Windows XP cookies, into a newsgroup about ham radio antennas. I've been wrong before, but this time, I'm not. 73, Dave KZ1O |
Dave, we all have been hit one time or another with a computor problem. One
time many on this newsgroup got hit with a hiddious virus that upset many so I think you are a bit out of step on this one ,even tho you see your main duty as being a Net Cop. The fact of the matter is that the main core of premier antenna help contributors all posted on this subject which shows that not only do these members have special expertise with antennas but also have the expertise relative to the computor connection with respect to antennas and the like, and are willing to share with less ability minded people like myself. Remember the main core of contributors to this group are no lesser an Elmer to that which you pump yourself to be to give you the verbal justification , but I assure you that if a thread unrelated to the primary interests of this group appeared on a regular basis the initiator would either be ignored or quickly put into his place. I note that a recent poster stated he was a ham by fraudulent means but apparently you view his thread as more legitamate than mine which is so intertwined and connected to the direction that antennas are moving today and where I am sure you must have posted many times on this particular newsgroup where such programs can be executed ( I assume I have overlooked your antenna contributions) on a $5 Walmart calculator as to make the computor irrelavent to this group. Since you state that many readers are upset or unhappy with the lack of true antenna content of this newsgroup now would be the time for an Elmer so proficient as you with respect to what is "right" and what is "wrong" to start a new antenna newsgroup to satisfy the needs of like minded people who are more interested in political correctness than in technical content, of the latter none of which was evident in your posting that only added to the length to the thread without a modicom of antenna content. I think you would have a real hard time in attracting the groups membership that has such a deep knoweledge and expertise that they are willing to share where the content of their postings must satisfy total political correctness and subject to your absolute rules of what can be written or replied to. However, if all antenna questions were directed to you for a response you would not have the problem that you ascribe to this newsgroup and amateur radio most certainly would be the beneficiory in your mind of having an alternative. Let me just assume this is just a consequence of you having a bad day so I can push it all aside and wish you and your family a happy holiday. Regards Art "Dave Bushong" wrote in message ... Mike Coslo wrote: Dave Bushong wrote: wrote: I am finding that WindowsXP is allowing 20 cookies (plus other stuff ) a day [...] HEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! REC . RADIO . AMATEUR . ANTENNA Yo! NetCop! Wassup? - Mike KB3EIA Hi Mike, Thanks for your followup posting, and here is Wassup. I'm not a "NetCop", but instead, an "Elmer". I teach new hams not to stick a fork into the light socket, not to transmit on a dual-band radio on band "B" when you are listening on band "A", and other embarrassing things. I also teach new newsgroup posters that posting an article, and then nearly 30 followups, to an antenna newsgroup, is wrong. It is wrong because people who subscribe to the rec.radio.amateur.antenna newsgroup have a reasonable expectation that postings here will have something to do with ham radio antennas, or at least ham radio, or maybe radio, or at least antennas, or maybe even CB microphones. Not cookies. With 40,000+ newsgroups out there, there is just no reason to post a generic "help-me" message about Windows XP cookies, into a newsgroup about ham radio antennas. I've been wrong before, but this time, I'm not. 73, Dave KZ1O |
Unlike DOS, Windows is a multi-tasking environment. Therefore, if you
have many programs running at once, each will run slower. (You can, if you want, apportion the CPU time unequally among them.) However, as far as I can tell, the total time it takes for all of them to do their calculations isn't inherently slower with Windows than DOS. Windows-based antenna simulation programs are no different than other Windows applications. When running in "DOS mode" (under Windows systems prior to XP -- it's not available in XP), you are running in a true, single-tasking DOS environment. This is the mode you have to boot separately into when starting the computer. But if you choose the "DOS prompt" (or "command prompt") while running Windows, you're really running in the full Windows environment, and emulating DOS as just another Windows task. Programs running in this mode can't run any faster than a normal, native Windows program, since they're also subject to the time sharing of the multi-tasking system. There might actually be some additional overhead from the emulation process. The first Windows version of EZNEC, v. 3.0, ran calculations about 20% faster than the DOS version, possibly due to a compiler change. There was certainly no major slowing down of the calculations due to the different operating system. The current version of EZNEC, v. 4.0, runs up to several *times* faster than that due to code changes. Roy Lewallen, W7EL wrote: . . . On a side note with respect to some computors slowing down. Are the Windows based computor programs with respect to antenna modelling also subject to overload or slowing down problems or are they some how immune to the described problems? . . . |
Roy
Believe it or not I understand what you have posted so the info you have provided will be good news to antenna modelers. I really do not know how my personal antenna program works except I have a small disc inserted that when I start the computor I have to press the F12 key when prompted and somehow it does not display the normal windows entry but goes straight into a DOS managed antenna modeler program. I suspect that the disc somehow partitions the Dos emulator from the windows program and makes it a seperate entity in a similar way that previous widows programs did before they were bundled together.When I model closely coupled antenna elements designs where one has to make it 80 segments a shot a slow down of the coprocessor would be unacceptable Regards Art "Roy Lewallen" wrote in message ... Unlike DOS, Windows is a multi-tasking environment. Therefore, if you have many programs running at once, each will run slower. (You can, if you want, apportion the CPU time unequally among them.) However, as far as I can tell, the total time it takes for all of them to do their calculations isn't inherently slower with Windows than DOS. Windows-based antenna simulation programs are no different than other Windows applications. When running in "DOS mode" (under Windows systems prior to XP -- it's not available in XP), you are running in a true, single-tasking DOS environment. This is the mode you have to boot separately into when starting the computer. But if you choose the "DOS prompt" (or "command prompt") while running Windows, you're really running in the full Windows environment, and emulating DOS as just another Windows task. Programs running in this mode can't run any faster than a normal, native Windows program, since they're also subject to the time sharing of the multi-tasking system. There might actually be some additional overhead from the emulation process. The first Windows version of EZNEC, v. 3.0, ran calculations about 20% faster than the DOS version, possibly due to a compiler change. There was certainly no major slowing down of the calculations due to the different operating system. The current version of EZNEC, v. 4.0, runs up to several *times* faster than that due to code changes. Roy Lewallen, W7EL wrote: . . . On a side note with respect to some computors slowing down. Are the Windows based computor programs with respect to antenna modelling also subject to overload or slowing down problems or are they some how immune to the described problems? . . . |
On Sat, 11 Dec 2004 05:52:58 -0700, K7MEM wrote:
David G. Nagel wrote: But, in the end, I don't have many complaints about XP and IE. I wish IE had a popup blocker like Netscape. The popups do get through, but I have never had a problem with throwing them away as soon as they pop up. I do highly recommend Netscape. I have found that it renders everything very closely to IE and FireFox. Some minor differences but nothing great. FYI, I have IE6, with Service Pack 2 (for XP Home Edition), and that includes a Microsoft pop-up blocker. It works better than StopZilla's blocker, and it's free. Bob k5qwg |
Bob Miller wrote:
On Sat, 11 Dec 2004 05:52:58 -0700, K7MEM wrote: David G. Nagel wrote: But, in the end, I don't have many complaints about XP and IE. I wish IE had a popup blocker like Netscape. The popups do get through, but I have never had a problem with throwing them away as soon as they pop up. I do highly recommend Netscape. I have found that it renders everything very closely to IE and FireFox. Some minor differences but nothing great. FYI, I have IE6, with Service Pack 2 (for XP Home Edition), and that includes a Microsoft pop-up blocker. It works better than StopZilla's blocker, and it's free. Bob k5qwg I also have IE6, but I run XP Pro with Service Pack 2. I have not found that the Microsoft pop-up blocker is better. I hit a site, a couple of months ago. Before I connected, my counter was around 900 popups blocked. The next time I looked at it, it was 9,000 popups blocked. I didn't even notice a glitch. This was with Netscape. With IE, I would not have been so lucky. IE has a lot of good points and is the most used browser. I develop my web pages using Netscape, but wouldn't publish any of them if I didn't first test them with IE. I run a monitor on my web site and IE has a 80 percent share of all browsers, but it is also the most targeted. Netscape is only running at 10-12 percent share, with all the rest filling in the last 8 percent. Netscape is also free. -- Martin E. Meserve - K7MEM http://www.k7mem.com |
Thank You
Now if only some of the other folks would listen |
Wes Stewart wrote:
On Thu, 9 Dec 2004 23:50:02 -0500, "Hal Rosser" wrote: | I lost confidence in netscape when aol took it over. | Try mozilla firefox (it is free) | or | Avant browser (also free) | --- also download the free firewall (zoneAlarm) from zone labs | and-- free antivirus software (AVG) | and you can replace microsoft office with OpenOffice .org | and if you can find some scrap wire, we can talk about a free antenna | :-) | | |The Avant browser is really a good one - maybe even better than Mozilla |Firefox |- Mosaic, though may not suite your needs. |but by all means - anything but IE As I said elsewhere, I use Firebird, predecessor to Firefox. Unfortunately, some web sites almost demand IE. The attitude is that since 99% of the users are using IE, that's the thing to code for. (I know this because I've had this discussion with my son, who is the IT guru for a nationwide corporation) This will change! Where I work, we have been told to abandon Internet Exploder. I already had years ago as part of UALMPAP (usa as little Microsoft product as possible) Between Students and Employees, that is probably only about 100,000 people. Since it is happening elsewhere too, it *will make at least some dent. I have IRA's at both Schwab and Vanguard. Some of their "features" simply will not work in anything but IE. Threats to move my money to the other guy if they don't fix this fall on deaf ears. Of course, you only threatened. If you actually moved the money, and gave them that as a reason, they might start to pay attention Same with my credit union. For example the login page "moves" three times while loading in Firefox. If I start typing my login info too soon, the boxes move and login fails. Tech support couldn't care less. As long as you still use them, they won't care. But these are the same guys who, although 80% of the users have a dial-up connection, assume that everyone has a personal T1 line to their server and can download their bloated pages instantly. A few years ago, I started seeing a lot of websites that had incredibly superflous Junk on their intro pages. An example is once I needed a ne pair of skates, and I needed them quick. I wnet to the makers web pages, and the first thing it tells me is that I need to download a plug-in in order to see their site. So I download it. Then it tells me I have to restart my computer, which is a little bit of a pain. Then it bombs my computer, then after rebooting and waiting for scandisk to check and repair it, I finally get to the site again, I get to see the critical software advance that I couldn't access their site without. It was a freakin' movie of a goalie sliding across the ice! I called them and told them that I wasn't going to buy any more of their skates and told them why. 400 bucks lost for them, actually more like 800 bucks, since I was often buying skates for my kid at that time. BTW, they ended up changing the site eventually. - Mike KB3EIA - |
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Dave Bushong wrote in part:
Mike Coslo wrote: With 40,000+ newsgroups out there, there is just no reason to post a generic "help-me" message about Windows XP cookies, into a newsgroup about ham radio antennas. I've been wrong before, but this time, I'm not. Then I hope you wiil be filtering me along with the Cialis ads and the wierd Sexually oriented posts! I probably have nothing of worth to offer you. - Mike KB3EIA - |
Dave Bushong wrote:
Art, There was nothing wrong with your posting. It's just in the wrong newsgroup. I don't know how to make any more simple. All the best, and good luck with your "cumputor", Dave Well, Gee, Dave! I don't see you telling the "FS 8 pill linear", the "I PASS MY TEST ALSO THE EASY WAY", the "Strange question about SWR on HV lines" posters that *they* are off topic. So here you have a regular poster making a post, and another (several) answering him with helpful non-trolling, non confrontational advice, and this is a big problem for you? - Mike KB3EIA - |
"Mike Coslo" wrote in message
... Dave Bushong wrote in part: Mike Coslo wrote: With 40,000+ newsgroups out there, there is just no reason to post a generic "help-me" message about Windows XP cookies, into a newsgroup about ham radio antennas. I've been wrong before, but this time, I'm not. Then I hope you wiil be filtering me along with the Cialis ads and the wierd Sexually oriented posts! I probably have nothing of worth to offer you. - Mike KB3EIA - Let's see. I regular poster asks a question in a newsgroup where a) he is known and b) he knows the other regular poster -- kinda helpful in judging answers. I suppose you COULD have posted it in alt.cookies.yum.yum.yum but I see no problem posting it here. BTW, Firefox is great. grin Paul AB0SI |
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