I am finding that WindowsXP is allowing 20 cookies (plus other stuff ) a day
to attach to my computor which requires the use of another program to be
activated
every day to quarentine them. Thinking of going back to the Netscape browser
so as to
keep the computor cleen. Also interested in how much it would cost for
firewalls to bring
WindowsXP back to the protective level of Netscape 7.1.
Comments
(Yes I know it is not antenna related, unless you
need a computor to read antenna postings or use WindowsXP for antenna
software!)
Art

If you are going to do that - go to " Mozilla.org " as understand, they
created Netscape's software -- and get their new browser "Mozilla
Firefox " and their companion e-mail server " Mozilla Thunderbird"
- both are freebies and, that the ones I useing- has all the
conveniences of outlook/and I.E. 6, but seems to be friendlier to
blocking junk, and not as vulnerable to the security holes that M/S
has. Give it a try ! Jim NN7K


, Art, wrote:
I am finding that WindowsXP is allowing 20 cookies (plus other stuff ) a day
to attach to my computor which requires the use of another program to be
activated
every day to quarentine them. Thinking of going back to the Netscape browser
so as to
keep the computor cleen. Also interested in how much it would cost for
firewalls to bring
WindowsXP back to the protective level of Netscape 7.1.
Comments
(Yes I know it is not antenna related, unless you
need a computor to read antenna postings or use WindowsXP for antenna
software!)
Art

Yup. Heard on a computor discussion that XP was as open as a barn door and
over time
the computor got slower and slower. They also stated that Netscape
apparently not
subject that much to attacks Didn't take much notice at the time until I
bought a 3 Gig processor
and after a while checked how much junk had unknowingly been attached to it,
one of which
had slowed me down till it shut down completely!
I wouldn't be surprised if this newsnet did add junk every time you linked
to it.


"Jim - NN7K" wrote in message
. com...
If you are going to do that - go to " Mozilla.org " as understand, they
created Netscape's software -- and get their new browser "Mozilla
Firefox " and their companion e-mail server " Mozilla Thunderbird"
- both are freebies and, that the ones I useing- has all the
conveniences of outlook/and I.E. 6, but seems to be friendlier to
blocking junk, and not as vulnerable to the security holes that M/S
has. Give it a try ! Jim NN7K


, Art, wrote:
I am finding that WindowsXP is allowing 20 cookies (plus other stuff ) a
day
to attach to my computor which requires the use of another program to
be
activated
every day to quarentine them. Thinking of going back to the Netscape
browser
so as to
keep the computor cleen. Also interested in how much it would cost for
firewalls to bring
WindowsXP back to the protective level of Netscape 7.1.
Comments
(Yes I know it is not antenna related, unless you
need a computor to read antenna postings or use WindowsXP for antenna
software!)
Art

On Thu, 09 Dec 2004 22:29:31 GMT, "
wrote:

Yup. Heard on a computor discussion that XP was as open as a barn door and
over time
the computor got slower and slower.

Hi Art,

I hear that so often now.

They also stated that Netscape
apparently not
subject that much to attacks

Netscape has its own problems, but not like the MS suite.

Didn't take much notice at the time until I
bought a 3 Gig processor
and after a while checked how much junk had unknowingly been attached to it,
one of which
had slowed me down till it shut down completely!

I only have to look at your headers to see you use Outlook Express
which is a piece of trash. It has the worst reputation as being a
virus whore.

I wouldn't be surprised if this newsnet did add junk every time you linked
to it.

News groups might be mined for emails for subsequent Spam, but there
is nothing in the NNTP (protocol) that would allow anyone to attach
anything to your computer. This kind of stuff comes automatically as
a customer enhancement by MS for IE and OE users and arrives by email
or through visits on the Web. There are no trojan horses, viruses,
cookies, advertising (pop up windows that is, there is still Spam of
course) or spyware that can infect your machine through participating
in newsgroup activity.

I've gotten what looks like a potential virus sent to me because they
got my name here. WAMU frequently is part of the subject heading or
in the message. This may not be a virus (as the ISP certifies it is
not) but rather a Phising link. No problem, my mail reader is not
going to run it, open it, or do anything without my permission. I
simply trash that stuff. Been doing that for 10 years with either
Eudora or Agent and never been burnt except once (trusted a friend) -
then fixed that the next day after the infected Comcast ISP servers
stopped thrashing themselves to death. Yup, they were using MS
servers.

For anyone seriously interested in the mortar between their firewall
bricks, go to:
http://grc.com/default.htm
and page down to the heading "Your Three Musketeers"
There are at least a half dozen security checks there that can inspect
your machine for back doors and potential hacker access. Very simple
software, loads fast, runs fast, and says quite plainly in English,
"You are Safe" or "You are in Trouble."

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC

Interesting.
So, do you still use Windows with a replacement for Outlook Express
together with the link that you pointed to or do you pay for extra computor
protection?
I must admit that I thought everything was as one should expect until I used
the free ' adware' to check how clean or dirty the computor was and I was
really shocked. Fortunately with the help of an inserted disc I am able to
run my antenna programs in what I see as a DOS emulator which allows me to
use high speed processing without the fear
of outside interference and slow down. I have heard that Netscape has its
problems but does not have enough useage
to attract bad guys and commercial collectors. Tho I have done computor
programming in Fortran and the like in the old days when we used punched
tape I must admit to being totally illiterate when computors changed over to
pre caned programming to which I turned up my nose too, only to find I was
quickly left behind and not adaptable to change.
Regards
Art

"Richard Clark" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 09 Dec 2004 22:29:31 GMT, "
wrote:

Yup. Heard on a computor discussion that XP was as open as a barn door
and
over time
the computor got slower and slower.

Hi Art,

I hear that so often now.

They also stated that Netscape
apparently not
subject that much to attacks

Netscape has its own problems, but not like the MS suite.

Didn't take much notice at the time until I
bought a 3 Gig processor
and after a while checked how much junk had unknowingly been attached to
it,
one of which
had slowed me down till it shut down completely!

I only have to look at your headers to see you use Outlook Express
which is a piece of trash. It has the worst reputation as being a
virus whore.

I wouldn't be surprised if this newsnet did add junk every time you
linked
to it.

News groups might be mined for emails for subsequent Spam, but there
is nothing in the NNTP (protocol) that would allow anyone to attach
anything to your computer. This kind of stuff comes automatically as
a customer enhancement by MS for IE and OE users and arrives by email
or through visits on the Web. There are no trojan horses, viruses,
cookies, advertising (pop up windows that is, there is still Spam of
course) or spyware that can infect your machine through participating
in newsgroup activity.

I've gotten what looks like a potential virus sent to me because they
got my name here. WAMU frequently is part of the subject heading or
in the message. This may not be a virus (as the ISP certifies it is
not) but rather a Phising link. No problem, my mail reader is not
going to run it, open it, or do anything without my permission. I
simply trash that stuff. Been doing that for 10 years with either
Eudora or Agent and never been burnt except once (trusted a friend) -
then fixed that the next day after the infected Comcast ISP servers
stopped thrashing themselves to death. Yup, they were using MS
servers.

For anyone seriously interested in the mortar between their firewall
bricks, go to:
http://grc.com/default.htm
and page down to the heading "Your Three Musketeers"
There are at least a half dozen security checks there that can inspect
your machine for back doors and potential hacker access. Very simple
software, loads fast, runs fast, and says quite plainly in English,
"You are Safe" or "You are in Trouble."

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC

On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 01:10:13 GMT, "
wrote:

Interesting.
So, do you still use Windows with a replacement for Outlook Express
together with the link that you pointed to or do you pay for extra computor
protection?

I abandoned the home versions of Windows long long ago (I use Win2000
Pro). I got it pretty cheap as a computer upgrade, all I had to do
was buy some hardware to qualify, and I bought the hard disk that I
have it running on right now, in the old system (just added it as
drive two, and use the original drive for storage).

I have NEVER used Outlook Express. I bought Agent after using Free
Agent for a year. I wanted to combine my News reader with a Mail
reader that had very good filters. Those filters, once I trained
them, act like bug zappers and automatically trash Spam. I have 8
filters that steer acceptable email to different folders; I have 10
filters that deletes porn; I have 4 filters that ignore odds and ends
that I can look at if I want (but ends up in the trash anyway). Agent
is $35 and I've been using it for 8 years.

I am also using Firefox now (it lit up in seconds where Netscape
stumbled along). I also use Agnitum Outpost Firewall (free version).
It always lets me know when some piece of trash wants to call home. I
say no, and then take out the trash.

I must admit that I thought everything was as one should expect until I used
the free ' adware' to check how clean or dirty the computor was and I was
really shocked. Fortunately with the help of an inserted disc I am able to
run my antenna programs in what I see as a DOS emulator which allows me to
use high speed processing without the fear
of outside interference and slow down. I have heard that Netscape has its
problems but does not have enough useage
to attract bad guys and commercial collectors.

That has nothing to do with it. It is the "features" of IE and OE
that are the back doors to the system. Do you want to share your
printer with the world? MS thinks you do, and has designed this into
their OS as a special feature for your "benefit."

Tho I have done computor
programming in Fortran and the like in the old days when we used punched
tape I must admit to being totally illiterate when computors changed over to
pre caned programming to which I turned up my nose too, only to find I was
quickly left behind and not adaptable to change.

It just runs faster. Being bigger means no one person really
understands it all. When the operating systems were 15,000 bytes big,
you could figure it out in a weekend. Multiply that by a million
weekends. Only Chinese teenagers have that kind of patience.

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC

Richard Clark wrote:
On Thu, 09 Dec 2004 22:29:31 GMT, "
wrote:


and after a while checked how much junk had unknowingly been
attached to it,
one of which
had slowed me down till it shut down completely!

I only have to look at your headers to see you use Outlook Express
which is a piece of trash. It has the worst reputation as being a
virus whore.

No, it's a TOXIC whore . . !

. . . This may not be a virus (as the ISP certifies it is
not) but rather a Phising link. No problem, my mail reader is not
going to run it, open it, or do anything without my permission. I
simply trash that stuff. Been doing that for 10 years with either
Eudora or Agent . . .

I've been running Eudora since Win 3.1.1 days, beautiful, just plain
clean, simple and to the point beautiful. Even though it doesn't have
many of the bells & whistles Outlook has. I don't need Microsloth's
autodialer, etc.

Since you're running Agent maybe you can answer a question Richard.
Backgrounder: 'Wayback I used Free Agent which worked like a champ. In
those days I accessed USENET via my ISP's paid subscription to some
second-tier USENET servers. My ISP is a litle dialup/DSL store-front
operation here in the neighborhood. Under circumstances and for reasons
long lost in my brainbone I've been accessing the newsgroups via Google
instead of his service for a number of years. Which is getting *really*
annoying. In the meanwhile my ISP dropped his old USENET subsciption by
virtue of non-use by his customers which leaves me dangling.

I'm very inclined to get back to using Agent even if I have to pay for
it (sob!). How, exactly Richard, do you access the USENET groups with
Agent?

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC

w3rv

On 9 Dec 2004 22:41:53 -0800, wrote:

I'm very inclined to get back to using Agent even if I have to pay for
it (sob!). How, exactly Richard, do you access the USENET groups with
Agent?

Hi Kelly,

The folks at Forte (agent) are also in the business of providing their
own premium news feeds over the net for as low as $3 a month that
would easily satisfy a text based interest. Visit:
http://www.forteinc.com/apn/index.php

You could still, easily get by on their current FreeAgent. Very
robust and still cheap for the full featured version.

Access comes via Comcast. This means I have to come in through the
connection. I also have an ISP who provides me a Primary Shell for
one of my several Web sites, and I can get into their News Feed over
the net. My Primary Shell "can" cost as low as $7 a month if you pay
by credit card in 6 month blocks or you can get a modem connection for
$16 a month (in 6 month blocks), anyway visit:
http://www.eskimo.com/

I pay much more, of course because I'm on high speed (not to speak of
also having three web sites to support) - but then, its my work.

I'm not sure if that answers your question as to "how" I use it.
Their help function answers that, but if you have configuration
questions I can certainly help - I did that for Walt a couple years
back. He sometimes curses Agent, but he isn't plagued by virus.

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC

On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 00:42:15 GMT, Richard Clark
wrote:


|
|For anyone seriously interested in the mortar between their firewall
|bricks, go to:
|http://grc.com/default.htm
|and page down to the heading "Your Three Musketeers"
|There are at least a half dozen security checks there that can inspect
|your machine for back doors and potential hacker access. Very simple
|software, loads fast, runs fast, and says quite plainly in English,
|"You are Safe" or "You are in Trouble."

McAfee VirusScan thought "I was in trouble" when I tried to download
one of these.

I'll stick to my oooold versions of Eudora, Free Agent and Firefox.

On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 07:36:50 -0700, Wes Stewart
wrote:

McAfee VirusScan thought "I was in trouble" when I tried to download
one of these.

Hi Wes,

I gave up on Virus software years ago too. They always seem to be one
infection behind.

The only time I got the sniffles would have had the bug waltzing right
by it undetected. If that's the level of competence I can get for $50
a year, I wonder what it would have cost for a package to have caught
that last bug that got me.

Anyway, those utilities offered by grc.com disinfect the system by
strengthening the natural defenses instead of trying to look at every
byte coming in the pipe. Virus-ware can be cpu hogs - or at least
they were when I sampled them a long time ago. When I watch my
friends grow moss waiting for their systems to boot beneath their
load, I must say that my bias remains confirmed.

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC