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New Type of HF Shootout (antennas, pedestrian, bicycle)
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HFpack Shootout 2003 ============================================== The HFpack Shootout 2003 is sponsored by HFpack and open to all amateur radio operators. HFpack is dedicated to furthering the state of the art for HF Portable. http://www.hfpack.com On Saturday 18 October 2003, HFpack will hold the 3rd annual HFpack Shootout at USA's west coast ham convention "Pacificon" in San Ramon, California. The purpose of the shootout is to measure signal strength of pedestrian and human mobile HF systems on 18MHz and 5MHz in a controlled manner and report the results as a service to radio operators around the world. Participation and entry in the shootout is open and free to all radio amateurs. ============================================== New for 2003: Complete Systems Shootout ============================================== Unlike previous years where only the antennas were tested, the HFpack Shootout 2003 tests complete backpack and human mobile systems on 18MHz and 5MHz in several power and type categories. ============================================== Entrant Information Required: ============================================== 1) Entrant Operator Name and Callsign 2) Entrant Team Name 3) Category(s) and Band(s) of Entry 4) Description of transmitter 5) Description of antenna system 6) Description of power source 7) Description of other equipment used 8) Polarization (Horizontal or Vertical) 9) Measured power output of transmitter 10) Measured height of antenna system 11) Measured diameter of antenna system ============================================== Basic Shootout Description ============================================== 1) A circle 10 meters (33ft) in diameter in an open area shall be clearly marked. The entrant operator, antenna system and equipment shall be within this circle during the RF measurement. 2) The entrant operator's voice transmission shall be measured in decibels of peak RF signal strength by a nearby test receiver, connected to a vertical and a horizontal antenna. The operator shall make a brief transmission for the Shootout test receiver engineer to verify best polarization. 3) The entrant operator shall make three voice transmissions and the Shootout test receiver engineer shall make 3 corresponding RF signal strength measurements. The maximum and minimum measurements shall not be used. The medium (median) measurement shall be recorded as the final measurement of the entrant. 4) The RF measurements shall be made on amateur frequencies designated by the Shootout engineer within the 18MHz and the 5MHz bands. 5) An entrant may separately enter any or all categories and frequency bands. ============================================== Entrant Requirements and Guidelines ============================================== 1) The entrant operator shall check in, weigh in the equipment, and demonstrate the ability to move about freely while carrying all equipment and antenna system. The entrant's transmitter output power into a 50ohm dummy load shall be measured by the Shootout engineer. 2) The entrant operator shall carry and support the full weight of all equipment and antenna system during the RF measurements; however, a single wire or cable dragging counterpoise attached to the radio equipment with a maximum total length of 10 meters in a single direction and a maximum cross section of 1 centimeter may be touching, dragging, or laying on the surface upon which the operator is walking or standing. This counterpoise wire shall not be attached to a ground rod or imbedded in the ground, or in any way elevated above the surface of the earth by fixed objects on the ground. 3) The entrant's antenna system shall not exceed a total height of 10 meters above the surface level upon which the operator is walking or standing, and the entire weight of the antenna shall be carried by the operator during the RF measurements. ============================================== Category 1 = Pedestrian 100W Class ============================================== 1) The output power of the Category 1 entrant operator's transmitter shall not exceed 100 Watts PEP. 2) The total weight of the Category 1 entrant operator's transmitting equipment shall not exceed 20 kilograms (44 pounds), inclusive of transmitter, antenna system, all wires, cables, backpack/cases, microphone, and power supply. 3) Only the entrant operator's body may be used to support the equipment; no monopod, tripod, wheeled support, or other support device shall be used to hold up the equipment or the antenna system. ============================================== Category 2 = Pedestrian 10W Class ============================================== 1) The output power of the Category 2 entrant operator's transmitter shall not exceed 10 Watts PEP. 2) The weight of the Category 2 entrant's equipment is not limited. 3) Only the entrant operator's body may be used to support the equipment; no monopod, tripod, wheeled support, or other support device shall be used to hold up the equipment or the antenna system. ============================================== Category 3 = Human Mobile 100W Class ============================================== 1) A Human Mobile is considered to be any wheeled vehicle, craft, device, cart, skates, wagon, bicycle, tricycle, quadracycle, scooter, or carrier which is powered for movement solely by human energy. 2) The output power of the Category 3 entrant operator's transmitter shall not exceed 100 Watts PEP. 3) The weight of the Category 3 entrant's equipment is not limited. ============================================== Differently-Abled Notes ============================================== 1) Differently-abled operators may enter any category of their choice, exempt from requirements of support of equipment, and may utilize any type of body support assistance including but not limited to: walkers, canes, crutches, motorized wheelchair, other assisted devices, or the assistance of another person for carrying equipment. ============================================== Shootout Notes ============================================== 1) The general public, amateur radio operators, volunteer witnesses, and others may be present to view the Shootout. All entrants should conduct themselves in the spirit of friendly cooperation. 2) Other guidelines may be posted or verbally announced or personally advised at the Shootout by the organizers to comply with local laws and regulations. 3) In the unlikely event of confusion or dispute, a panel of three HFpack members chosen by the HFpack members present at the shootout will attempt to resolve the issue in an amicable manner. 4) The results of the HFpack Shootout 2003 will be announced on the HFpack website and a report will be issued documenting the entrant systems. ============================================== End of message HFpack http://www.hfpack.com |
Expeditionradio wrote:
The purpose of the shootout is to measure signal strength of pedestrian and human mobile HF systems on 18MHz and 5MHz ... ============================================== Category 3 = Human Mobile 100W Class ============================================== Seems 5 MHz has a legal power limit of 50 watts. 2) The entrant operator's voice transmission shall be measured ... Whoever can shout the loudest wins? Seems this test is far too subjective. -- 73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 100,000 Newsgroups - 19 Different Servers! =----- |
Nothing subjective about it, Cecil.
The Shootout uses actual measurements with a calibrated receiver system, and a "level playing field". :-) Check out the HFpack website for previous Shootout Reports from 2001 and 2002, and if you think you could do a better job, Cecil, please join us and show up at the Shootout to help with the measurements and setup. We would be happy to welcome you as a volunteer. http://www.hfpack.com In the past few years, we have simply measured antennas vs a reference dipole. This year we are measuring complete systems vs each other. 5MHz in USA has an authorized power limit of 50W_into_a_dipole. The 5MHz reference dipole has been clarified by FCC as a "free space" comparison for calculation purposes. Most pedestrian and bicycle antennas for 5MHz have way more than 3 dB loss. Some of the antennas have 6dB loss or worse. By the way, only USB voice is permitted on 5MHz in USA. Bonnie KQ6XA |
Expeditionradio wrote:
The purpose of the shootout is to measure signal strength of pedestrian and human mobile HF systems on 18MHz and 5MHz ... ============================================== Category 3 = Human Mobile 100W Class ============================================== "Cecil Moore" wrote: Seems 5 MHz has a legal power limit of 50 watts. Well, that's 50 watts, effective radiated power. For a 100-watt backpack, I would estimate that at least 50 watts would be dissipated in the "antenna mount". 2) The entrant operator's voice transmission shall be measured ... Whoever can shout the loudest wins? Seems this test is far too subjective. It's an end-to-end system test. Efficient antenna AND rachet-jawed operator. -- Jim Bromley, K7JEB Glendale, Arizona |
Expeditionradio wrote:
Nothing subjective about it, Cecil. On SSB, I can double my power output by whistling into the microphone. That seems pretty subjective to me. On the 5 MHz thing, since a dipole is almost 100% efficient, does the 50 watt rule mean radiated power? Can I run 500 watts mobile if my mobile antenna is 9% efficient? -- 73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 100,000 Newsgroups - 19 Different Servers! =----- |
K7JEB wrote:
Seems 5 MHz has a legal power limit of 50 watts. Well, that's 50 watts, effective radiated power. For a 100-watt backpack, I would estimate that at least 50 watts would be dissipated in the "antenna mount". Hi Jim, That's what I get for speed reading. Sounds like 5 MHz will be an ideal mobile band. If my mobile antenna is 10% efficient, I can just run my SGC-500 watt amp and radiate as much power as anyone else on the band. It's an end-to-end system test. Efficient antenna AND rachet-jawed operator. :-) -- 73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 100,000 Newsgroups - 19 Different Servers! =----- |
Cecil Moore wrote:
On the 5 MHz thing, since a dipole is almost 100% efficient, does the 50 watt rule mean radiated power? Can I run 500 watts mobile if my mobile antenna is 9% efficient? That would appear to be the case: http://www.arrl.org/FandES/field/reg...faq.html#three 73 ... WA7AA -- Anti-spam measu look me up on qrz.com if you need to reply directly |
Zoran Brlecic wrote:
Cecil Moore wrote: On the 5 MHz thing, since a dipole is almost 100% efficient, does the 50 watt rule mean radiated power? Can I run 500 watts mobile if my mobile antenna is 9% efficient? That would appear to be the case: http://www.arrl.org/FandES/field/reg...faq.html#three Has anyone realized that will make a hamstick get out just as well as a bugcatcher? -- 73, Cecil, W5DXP |
Zoran Brlecic wrote:
http://www.arrl.org/FandES/field/reg...faq.html#three Wow, all sorts of ramifications. A one-wavelength dipole has about 3dB gain over a 1/2WL dipole so one must reduce one's power to 25 watts. OTOH, since a 1/2WL dipole over ground has about 6dB gain over a 1/4WL ground-mounted vertical, can one run 200 watts when using a 1/4WL vertical? -- 73, Cecil, W5DXP |
Cecil,
I am no expert on the "legalese", but it appears the FCC has specified power in terms of Effective Radiated Power (ERP). The standard is no more than 50-watts radiated by a dipole in free space. My interpretation is that you look at the performance of your antenna at its maximum radiation point (i.e., the azimuth & elevation) and compare it to the radiation from a dipole in free space at its maximum radiation point(s). If your antenna has less radiated power than the dipole, then you can feed more power to the antenna (up to the point that you get the same radiation as a dipole in free space). I think this is the first time the FCC has used ERP (which includes antenna gain and feedline loss) as a power specification for amateur radio. Greg Queen AE6MF "Cecil Moore" wrote in message ... Zoran Brlecic wrote: http://www.arrl.org/FandES/field/reg...faq.html#three Wow, all sorts of ramifications. A one-wavelength dipole has about 3dB gain over a 1/2WL dipole so one must reduce one's power to 25 watts. OTOH, since a 1/2WL dipole over ground has about 6dB gain over a 1/4WL ground-mounted vertical, can one run 200 watts when using a 1/4WL vertical? -- 73, Cecil, W5DXP |
Hm. That means that you can't run more than about 16-20 watts to an
ordinary dipole, since a dipole over ground produces a field strength that's typically 4-5 dB greater than a dipole in free space. See, for example, the EZNEC example BYDipole.EZ, which shows a field strength of 6.82 dBi, or about 4.7 dB greater than a free space dipole. Roy Lewallen, W7EL Greg Queen wrote: Cecil, I am no expert on the "legalese", but it appears the FCC has specified power in terms of Effective Radiated Power (ERP). The standard is no more than 50-watts radiated by a dipole in free space. My interpretation is that you look at the performance of your antenna at its maximum radiation point (i.e., the azimuth & elevation) and compare it to the radiation from a dipole in free space at its maximum radiation point(s). If your antenna has less radiated power than the dipole, then you can feed more power to the antenna (up to the point that you get the same radiation as a dipole in free space). I think this is the first time the FCC has used ERP (which includes antenna gain and feedline loss) as a power specification for amateur radio. Greg Queen AE6MF |
Greg Queen wrote:
I am no expert on the "legalese", but it appears the FCC has specified power in terms of Effective Radiated Power (ERP). The standard is no more than 50-watts radiated by a dipole in free space. My interpretation is that you look at the performance of your antenna at its maximum radiation point (i.e., the azimuth & elevation) and compare it to the radiation from a dipole in free space at its maximum radiation point(s). If your antenna has less radiated power than the dipole, then you can feed more power to the antenna (up to the point that you get the same radiation as a dipole in free space). But a horizontal dipole over ground has a gain over a dipole in free space. Consider a horizontal dipole with a maximum gain of 6 dBi Vs a free space dipole with a maximum gain of 2.14 dBi. Do you have to decrease the power to the horizontal dipole over ground to bring it down to 2.14 dBi? Consider a vertical dipole with a maximum gain of 0 dBi. Can the power be increased to obtain the free space 2.14 dBi or 6 dBi over ground? -- 73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 100,000 Newsgroups - 19 Different Servers! =----- |
From: Roy W7EL wrote
Hm. That means that you can't run more than about 16-20 watts to a n ordinary dipole, since a dipole over ground produces a field strength that's typically 4-5 dB greater than a dipole in free space. Roy, the FCC has clarified this issue recently in communications with ARRL. The FCC indicated we should do all our compliance calculations for 5MHz as if the antennas are in free space. That certainly makes it a lot easier, doesn't it? Bonnie KQ6XA |
Greg Queen wrote:
I am no expert on the "legalese", but it appears the FCC has specified power in terms of Effective Radiated Power (ERP). The standard is no more than 50-watts radiated by a dipole in free space. % Bonnie KQ6XA (in a slightly different thread): % Roy, the FCC has clarified this issue recently % in communications with ARRL. The FCC indicated % we should do all our compliance calculations % for 5MHz as if the antennas are in free space. Cecil, W5DXP: Consider a vertical dipole with a maximum gain of 0 dBi. Can the power be increased to obtain the free space 2.14 dBi or 6 dBi over ground? Don't ask. Don't tell. Don't pursue. K7JEB |
K7JEB wrote:
Don't ask. Don't tell. Don't pursue. Darn, I was about to lay down a perfect ground for my dipole but EZNEC says that would only gain me 1.5 dB over normal ground. Wonder how many 5 MHz hams have already violated the FCC guidelines by running 50 watts into a dipole over ground? Oops, that's asking and pursuing, isn't it? -- 73, Cecil, W5DXP |
Thanks for the info. It sure does make it easier. Grounded antennas like
a ground mounted vertical or inverted L could be modeled by removing ground and adding a mirror image in free space, or by using perfect ground and subtracting 3 dB from the resulting field. Roy Lewallen, W7EL Expeditionradio wrote: From: Roy W7EL wrote Hm. That means that you can't run more than about 16-20 watts to a n ordinary dipole, since a dipole over ground produces a field strength that's typically 4-5 dB greater than a dipole in free space. Roy, the FCC has clarified this issue recently in communications with ARRL. The FCC indicated we should do all our compliance calculations for 5MHz as if the antennas are in free space. That certainly makes it a lot easier, doesn't it? Bonnie KQ6XA |
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