On Tue, 15 Aug 2006 08:39:34 GMT, Paul Hinman
wrote:

I frequently see postings in the ham radio related newsgroups for items
currently being offered on E-Bay.

All to often I that items will be shipped only to the lower 48 states,
leaving hams in Hawaii, Alaska, and Canada out of the picture. What is
the problem. In Canada we are well served by FEDEX and the United
States Postal Service. Amateur radio equipment crosses the border with
out any problem. I realize that Hawaii and Alaska may be a bit far from
the "lower 48" but the same delivery services are available even though
surface transportation may be a little bit slow. In the US you also
have UPS, the folks in Brown which we Canadians prefer not to use
because the often make the border crossing more difficult than it needs
to be and we don't like getting stuck with brokerage fees.

So why the discrimination, if the buyer knows that delivery may take a
little longer and is prepared to accept the fact then it becomes a non
problem. If the seller is intimidated by the prospect of complicated
paperwork, he needn't be. Please leave it up to the buyer to decide
whether he wants to bib or not.

I can not speak for shipments to Europe, Africa, India, China, or the
South Pacific but for fellow Americans, or friendly northern neighbours,
I think that people should be prepared to deal with us.

Thanx for letting get this off my chest and I realize that I have cross
posted this to four different newsgroups but I wanted to get to a broad
audience.

Paul
\

As for canada, there is a problem with tracking. At least a couple of
years ago, the cost of tracking a package, when possible, was
horrendously high. In the case of the US mail or Fedex, it was
impossible. I shipped to canada and the buyer said he didn't get it.
He sent a very impolite letter the day I noticed all other items
shipped that day arrived. I know he received it and later admitted
that it was shipped to the wrong address, which I know better.

Not being able to track makes for a risk that I was unwilling to
handle at the time, so I cut out shipping to canada.

As for hawaii and alaska, tracking and shipping costs were terrible to
those places as well. Some items can't be shipped by air and would be
shipped by ship requiring a time delay in which, again, thieves take
advantage of and get their refund.

The combination of eBay and Paypal creates a haven for thieves in
those areas and others. They favor the buyer and it will ultimately
cost the seller more in the long run.

APO and FPO can't be tracked either. Tracking is a requirement for
the eBay/paypal so-called protection.

I was once a gi. Gi's move. Sometimes it takes a long while for the
gi to receive mail that has to follow him/her.

I realize that the problems are caused by the 'few', but they create a
risk or null out certain protective clauses in contracts. SOme
businesses can afford to go through the extra effort, wait the extra
time or live with the occasional loss. A business that loses one sale
in a hundred can afford the loss better than an individual who stands
to lose one in the only one or two sales they make.

Ebay/paypal is too protective for the buyers and not the sellers. The
law is too difficult to motivate for most of the little sales that
originate from ebay. Thieves know this and take advantage of this at
every opportunity they can.

Buck
n4pgw

--
73 for now
Buck
N4PGW

My sentiments exactly Paul. Its ridiculous we either are part of
the USA or we are'nt. Those catalogs that say "extra chipping
costs to Hawaii/Pr/Alaska etc I give them the deep six.
Joe

But the costs are extra to those businesses. shipping to those
states/territories are higher than cross-continent shipping.


--
73 for now
Buck
N4PGW

On Wed, 16 Aug 2006 01:07:58 -0400, Buck wrote:

As for canada, there is a problem with tracking. At least a couple of
years ago, the cost of tracking a package, when possible, was
horrendously high. In the case of the US mail or Fedex, it was
impossible. I shipped to canada and the buyer said he didn't get it.
He sent a very impolite letter the day I noticed all other items
shipped that day arrived. I know he received it and later admitted
that it was shipped to the wrong address, which I know better.

Not being able to track makes for a risk that I was unwilling to
handle at the time, so I cut out shipping to canada.

[snip middle details]

Ebay/paypal is too protective for the buyers and not the sellers. The
law is too difficult to motivate for most of the little sales that
originate from ebay. Thieves know this and take advantage of this at
every opportunity they can.

Buck
n4pgw

--
73 for now
Buck
N4PGW

Well explained. Not my issue anyway, but I never heard about all that.

Buck wrote:

On Tue, 15 Aug 2006 08:39:34 GMT, Paul Hinman
wrote:



I frequently see postings in the ham radio related newsgroups for items
currently being offered on E-Bay.

All to often I that items will be shipped only to the lower 48 states,
leaving hams in Hawaii, Alaska, and Canada out of the picture. What is
the problem. In Canada we are well served by FEDEX and the United
States Postal Service. Amateur radio equipment crosses the border with
out any problem. I realize that Hawaii and Alaska may be a bit far from
the "lower 48" but the same delivery services are available even though
surface transportation may be a little bit slow. In the US you also
have UPS, the folks in Brown which we Canadians prefer not to use
because the often make the border crossing more difficult than it needs
to be and we don't like getting stuck with brokerage fees.

So why the discrimination, if the buyer knows that delivery may take a
little longer and is prepared to accept the fact then it becomes a non
problem. If the seller is intimidated by the prospect of complicated
paperwork, he needn't be. Please leave it up to the buyer to decide
whether he wants to bib or not.

I can not speak for shipments to Europe, Africa, India, China, or the
South Pacific but for fellow Americans, or friendly northern neighbours,
I think that people should be prepared to deal with us.

Thanx for letting get this off my chest and I realize that I have cross
posted this to four different newsgroups but I wanted to get to a broad
audience.

Paul


\

As for canada, there is a problem with tracking. At least a couple of
years ago, the cost of tracking a package, when possible, was
horrendously high. In the case of the US mail or Fedex, it was
impossible. I shipped to canada and the buyer said he didn't get it.
He sent a very impolite letter the day I noticed all other items
shipped that day arrived. I know he received it and later admitted
that it was shipped to the wrong address, which I know better.

Not being able to track makes for a risk that I was unwilling to
handle at the time, so I cut out shipping to canada.

As for hawaii and alaska, tracking and shipping costs were terrible to
those places as well. Some items can't be shipped by air and would be
shipped by ship requiring a time delay in which, again, thieves take
advantage of and get their refund.

The combination of eBay and Paypal creates a haven for thieves in
those areas and others. They favor the buyer and it will ultimately
cost the seller more in the long run.

APO and FPO can't be tracked either. Tracking is a requirement for
the eBay/paypal so-called protection.

I was once a gi. Gi's move. Sometimes it takes a long while for the
gi to receive mail that has to follow him/her.

I realize that the problems are caused by the 'few', but they create a
risk or null out certain protective clauses in contracts. SOme
businesses can afford to go through the extra effort, wait the extra
time or live with the occasional loss. A business that loses one sale
in a hundred can afford the loss better than an individual who stands
to lose one in the only one or two sales they make.

Ebay/paypal is too protective for the buyers and not the sellers. The
law is too difficult to motivate for most of the little sales that
originate from ebay. Thieves know this and take advantage of this at
every opportunity they can.

Buck
n4pgw



The tracking is not a problem, FEDEX tracking works across the borders
and the USPS and Canada Post tracking systems interface with each other
using the tracking number issued at the point of mailing.

--
Paul S. Hinman - VE6LDS
long West 113 deg 27 min 20 sec
lat North 53 deg 27 min 3 sec
Maidenhead Locator DO33gk

On Wed, 16 Aug 2006 10:06:59 GMT, Paul Hinman
wrote:





The tracking is not a problem, FEDEX tracking works across the borders
and the USPS and Canada Post tracking systems interface with each other
using the tracking number issued at the point of mailing.

Things may have changed, but when I tried to get tracking and/or proof
of delivery, I couldn't get it and got ripped off.


--
73 for now
Buck
N4PGW

In article ,
Buck wrote:

On Wed, 16 Aug 2006 10:06:59 GMT, Paul Hinman
wrote:





The tracking is not a problem, FEDEX tracking works across the borders
and the USPS and Canada Post tracking systems interface with each other
using the tracking number issued at the point of mailing.

Things may have changed, but when I tried to get tracking and/or proof
of delivery, I couldn't get it and got ripped off.

yea, don't believe FedEx when they say they deliver to Alaska....They
only deliver to Anchortown, Fairbanks, and Juneau..... for all the bush
villages and towns, FedEx gets turned over to the USPS in Anchorage
for delivery, and there is NO Tracking after that...... FedEx SUCKS
for Alaska delivery..... Lost a Laptop to there system, no refund,
or claim was ever paid. got a letter from the Manager saying,
"So Sorry for your loss, I feel your pain." I'd like to give him
a bit of my pain, right in the ***........

"Paul Hinman" wrote in message
news:aLfEg.400583$Mn5.137675@pd7tw3no...
I frequently see postings in the ham radio related newsgroups for items
currently being offered on E-Bay.

All to often I that items will be shipped only to the lower 48 states,
leaving hams in Hawaii, Alaska, and Canada out of the picture. What is the
problem. In Canada we are well served by FEDEX and the United States Postal
Service. Amateur radio equipment crosses the border with out any problem.
I realize that Hawaii and Alaska may be a bit far from the "lower 48" but
the same delivery services are available even though surface transportation
may be a little bit slow. In the US you also have UPS, the folks in Brown
which we Canadians prefer not to use because the often make the border
crossing more difficult than it needs to be and we don't like getting stuck
with brokerage fees.

So why the discrimination, if the buyer knows that delivery may take a
little longer and is prepared to accept the fact then it becomes a non
problem. If the seller is intimidated by the prospect of complicated
paperwork, he needn't be. Please leave it up to the buyer to decide whether
he wants to bib or not.

I can not speak for shipments to Europe, Africa, India, China, or the South
Pacific but for fellow Americans, or friendly northern neighbours, I think
that people should be prepared to deal with us.

Thanx for letting get this off my chest and I realize that I have cross
posted this to four different newsgroups but I wanted to get to a broad
audience.

Paul

Paul,

The reason is very straightforward. This is a boatanchor newsgroup
and it's mostly geezers who deal in old radios.

Geezers live in the past; WE don't think critically; the same tired
thoughts cycle through our heads. Even worse, many of us
hallucinate and make up reasons. You'll see several in this
thread.

Many geezers (to be fair, not all) are Xeno-phobic.

To them, Hawai'i is FAR away and never having been there, geezers
imagine that it's a foreign country with different laws a strange
language. In their minds, it's a not that far from Hawai'i to, say,
Nigeria or Pakistan. Even if they could call the Honolulu police to
report a deal gone bad, they would not be able to speak to them with
finding a translater.

On the other hand, a geezer thinks, OK, I'm in Virginia, if a
$30 deal in Kansas goes bad, I'll just get in the Biscayne and drive
over there tomorrow, demand my money. I have that recourse.

People! As Paul says, Hawaii and Alaska are U.S. States.
They have senators in Washington. They vote for the president. As
far as the U.S.P.S, FedEx, and UPS are concerned, those states are,
like, right over there.

To Sprint and other fone companies, after 7 or 8 PM, just pick up
your fone and those places are a free call. If you pay for wired
service, it's 5 or 7 cents a minute.

Here are some actual numbers from www.fedex.com


2 day service - 20 pounds

Virginia to Kansas - $61.85
Virginia to California -$65.83
Virginia to Hawai'i - $66.87

2 day service - 60 pounds

Virginia to Kansas - $151.93
Virginia to California -$166.63
Virginia to Hawai'i - $169.24

About the same price for 2nd day service.


FedEx Ground service - 20 pounds

Virginia to Kansas - $12.70 - 4 days
Virginia to California -$16.03 - 4 days
Virginia to Hawai'i - $48.22 - 7 days


FedEx Ground service - 60 pounds

Virginia to Kansas - $28.40 - 4 days
Virginia to California -$39.08 - 4 days
Virginia to Hawai'i - $114.63 - 7 days

Three days longer and more dollars going ground to Hawai'i. But
then Buyer Pays Shipping!

The same tracking and return receipt, the same laws govern the
business deal. It takes about the same amount of time.


The reason that they say "lower 48" is that they think it's still
1936. It just comes out. There's no reason other than old
thoughts cycling in old heads like regeneration in a triode.


It's like hollarin' out,

Kids these days!

You call that music!

Dag-nabbit!


I've bought items from Canada and sold to Canada. One thing I don't
like about it is that it's expensive to ship across the border. In
fact, it's cheaper to ship though Canada to Alaska.

But then, buyer pays.

I just had the experience of buying from China, a DEGEN DE1103. If
you don't have one, go over to the Bay and look up the seller LIYPN.
$44 for the radio and $24 shipping and insurance. Took about 8 days
to get here.

This is the best pocket shortware radio. Check out the reviews on
the web. 1 kHz readout, better than 1 uV sensitivity, stable, 4
and 6 kHz filters. Covers 100 kHz to 30 mHz continuous so you can
listen to AM broadcast, 160 meters, everything!

I can sit in my car, pull out the whip antenna and copy 7040 CW in
the evening. I heard W1AW CW the other day, this is in
Virginia.

SSB sounds good. Well, mostly good. I still can't understand the
hollarin' on 27,000.

While you're buying and enjoying the DEGEN, think about global
commerce and the fact that you just traded with a real foreign
country.

de ah6gi/4

kh wrote:
On the other hand, a geezer thinks, OK, I'm in Virginia, if a
$30 deal in Kansas goes bad, I'll just get in the Biscayne and drive
over there tomorrow, demand my money. I have that recourse.

While spending $400 for gasoline?
--
73, Cecil, http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp

"kh" wrote ...
The reason is very straightforward. This is a boatanchor
newsgroup and it's mostly geezers who deal in old radios.

Geezers live in the past; WE don't think critically; the same
tired thoughts cycle through our heads. Even worse, many
of us hallucinate and make up reasons. You'll see several
in this thread.

Including your own posting, apparently.

I've bought items from Canada and sold to Canada. One
thing I don't like about it is that it's expensive to ship across
the border. In fact, it's cheaper to ship though Canada to Alaska.

But then, buyer pays.

Unless something goes wrong. The abuse of international
transactions is legendary. Even eBay, PayPal, et.al. seem
to acknowledge it. As another poster observed, if you are
a large-volume commercial vendor, you can "eat" the
occasional transaction gone wrong. But if you are selling
one-off things (boat-anchors or not) on eBay, etc. it has a
significant chilling effect, no matter what generation you
represent.

I ship to anyone that wants to pay for it. I do avoid APO/FPO shipping, and
not because of scams but because of very very poor delivery chances on
anything not a 1 ounce letter.

I sent several boxes of supplies to friends serving in Iraq with the US
Marine Corps...most of the boxes languished in a warehouse in Germany for
about 4 weeks before being hauled to Iraq...then it was another 2 or 3 weeks
befire they actually got the stuff. Needless to say, never ship a puppy or
kitten to a war zone. I have one realative that was in Iraq for a year (the
last time). I mailed him a Christmas package at the end of October. He got
home in February and still hadn't received it.

I ship DX but the buyer has to pay for the shipping.


--
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Radio Amateurs - Fill your junk box, from my junkbox!
http://www.hamradparts.com
73 de KB9BVN
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"Paul Hinman" wrote in message
news:aLfEg.400583$Mn5.137675@pd7tw3no...
I frequently see postings in the ham radio related newsgroups for items
currently being offered on E-Bay.

All to often I that items will be shipped only to the lower 48 states,
leaving hams in Hawaii, Alaska, and Canada out of the picture. What is
the problem. In Canada we are well served by FEDEX and the United
States Postal Service. Amateur radio equipment crosses the border with
out any problem. I realize that Hawaii and Alaska may be a bit far from
the "lower 48" but the same delivery services are available even though
surface transportation may be a little bit slow. In the US you also
have UPS, the folks in Brown which we Canadians prefer not to use
because the often make the border crossing more difficult than it needs
to be and we don't like getting stuck with brokerage fees.

So why the discrimination, if the buyer knows that delivery may take a
little longer and is prepared to accept the fact then it becomes a non
problem. If the seller is intimidated by the prospect of complicated
paperwork, he needn't be. Please leave it up to the buyer to decide
whether he wants to bib or not.

I can not speak for shipments to Europe, Africa, India, China, or the
South Pacific but for fellow Americans, or friendly northern neighbours,
I think that people should be prepared to deal with us.

Thanx for letting get this off my chest and I realize that I have cross
posted this to four different newsgroups but I wanted to get to a broad
audience.

Paul

--
Paul S. Hinman - VE6LDS
long West 113 deg 27 min 20 sec
lat North 53 deg 27 min 3 sec
Maidenhead Locator DO33gk