"Dave" wrote in message
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Uncle Peter wrote:

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Some skill. New England Tractor Trailer pumps out drivers by the gross.
Very few earn anywhere's near 1800+ a week.


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All of your senators have vested retirements (18,000 a month) after
serving one term.
They have vested health care, and most had inherited wealth to begin
with.
Do you wonder why they are in the market (they can afford to be, you're
paying the tab) and the rich always get richer at the expense of a
lessening middle class...

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You've been listening to Limbaugh for too many years. Most kids starting
out
can barely afford to pay their bills, let alone invest money in a 401K or
IRA.
Most folks don't have 30 years in front of them. Baby boomers never had
401Ks or IRAs when they started off.

I opened this with the following: "Your retirement planning is YOUR
RESPONSIBILITY! It is NOT the responsibility of government. It is NOT
the responsibility of your employer. It is NOT the responsibility of your
union. The responsibility is Yours alone!" It is true!


If the jobs continual to be outsourced, and if the trade deficit
continues, and if
foreign scab labor is allowed to bid against union scale you're going to
find
your savings will have very little buying power when the worth of the
dollar
crashes on the world market. Government is the one who is giving away and
borrowing from social security and allowing the raping of this country.

Pete k1zjh

/s/ DD, W1MCE


Well Uncle Peter, we both know that it is impossible to live on Social
[in]Security. That's a given.

Since you are responsible for your retirement, not government nor
business, what do you propose?

The world economy envisioned by Adam Smith and Thomas Paine in the late
1700s is now here. Business will do whatever is necessary to survive and
be profitable in a very competitive world wide economy. Businesses will
succeed and fail. Government can't stop it! Again I ask, "What do you
propose?"

My proposal is to do whatever is necessary to start building personal
equity. In other words, "Get on the equity train before it is out of
sight!" You may ride in the caboose as opposed to the dining car, but,
you're not left in the station.



I propose America better wake up before it is too late. My retirement is
secure and isn't tied to Social Security, in fact, Ive paid into it. But, I
fear for others
who face a less certain financial future and the lack of even basic
affordable healthcare.

Pete

Uncle Peter wrote:


I propose America better wake up before it is too late. My retirement is
secure

You better make double sure - Sherry and I thought our retirement was
"secure" as well... then had it stolen right out from under us. Trust
no one.

best regards...
--
randy guttery

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so vital to the United States Silent Service:
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On Wed, 16 May 2007 15:26:29 -0400, "Uncle Peter"
wrote:

All of your senators have vested retirements (18,000 a month) after serving
one term. They have vested health care....

What country do you live in?

"Congress: Rank-and-File Members' Salary
The current salary (2006) for rank-and-file members of the House and Senate is
$165,200 per year....

Congress: Benefits

.....Members of Congress receive retirement and health benefits under the same
plans available to other federal employees. They become vested after five years
of full participation.

Members elected since 1984 are covered by the Federal Employees' Retirement
System (FERS). Those elected prior to 1984 were covered by the Civil Service
Retirement System (CSRS). In 1984 all members were given the option of remaining
with CSRS or switching to FERS.

As it is for all other federal employees, congressional retirement is funded
through taxes and the participants' contributions. Members of Congress under
FERS contribute 1.3 percent of their salary into the FERS retirement plan and
pay 6.2 percent of their salary in Social Security taxes....

The amount of a Congressperson's pension depends on the years of service and the
average of the highest 3 years of his or her salary. By law, the starting amount
of a Member's retirement annuity may not exceed 80% of his or her final salary.

According to the Congressional Research Service, 413 retired Members of Congress
were receiving federal pensions based fully or in part on their congressional
service as of Oct. 1, 2006. Of this number, 290 had retired under CSRS and were
receiving an average annual pension of $60,972. A total of 123 Members had
retired with service under both CSRS and FERS or with service under FERS only.
Their average annual pension was $35,952 in 2006."

Got any more bull**** you'd like to share?

-- Larry

Uncle Peter wrote:

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I propose America better wake up before it is too late.

REDACTED: Waking up is NOT a proposal!! State a credible plan that people can
participate in that will provide credible cash flow in retirement.

You have added another variable into the discussion by opening the healthcare
issue. Where does the money come from? Don't give the old canard of 'tax the
rich'. According to Hillary any family earning more than $30,000 has to be
defined as rich to support her health care proposals [healthcare in the USA
costs about 10,000 per family per year. According to the USA Census Bureau we
have 300,000,+ people at 4.3 people per family or approximately 70,000,000
families. Do the math! [$700 Billion per year!] [note for the non USA reader:
$30,000 USD is top of the poor class or bottom of the middle class by
contemporary definitions]

Again: Where do you propose the money comes from?

Stating a problem without proposing several possible credible solutions is
unacceptable to everyone. Why? We cannot continue to discuss or debate the pros
and cons of nothing!

Apparently you have issues with the Equity solution. Fine! I have a problem with
NO proposed solution.

Finally, like you, my retirement is also secure, an insured fully funded annuity.

My retirement is
secure and isn't tied to Social Security, in fact, Ive paid into it. But, I
fear for others
who face a less certain financial future and the lack of even basic
affordable healthcare.

Pete

"Dave" wrote in message
. ..
Uncle Peter wrote:

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I propose America better wake up before it is too late.

You have added another variable into the discussion by opening the
healthcare
issue. Where does the money come from? Don't give the old canard of 'tax
the rich'. According to Hillary any family earning more than $30,000 has
to be defined as rich to support her health care proposals [healthcare in
the USA costs about 10,000 per family per year. According to the USA
Census Bureau we have 300,000,+ people at 4.3 people per family or
approximately 70,000,000 families. Do the math! [$700 Billion per year!]
[note for the non USA reader: $30,000 USD is top of the poor class or
bottom of the middle class by contemporary definitions]

Again: Where do you propose the money comes from?

Gee Dave, did you ever think that if we had DECENT paying jobs in this
country that folks could actually afford health insurance; or companies
could continue to afford offering good health plans? I'll state it again.
Keep American dollars in the US; and do so by balancing the trade
deficit for starters.
Instead of allowing high paying jobs to bleed off to third world countries
(with scant child labor protection laws or environmental laws on the books)
maybe we need some stronger trade protection in place to protect
average Americans' interests instead of corporate greed. Don't you find a
bit
disconcerting that we have gone from being the bread basket of the world
to importing contaminated goods from China? What do you think your
retirement is going to be worth in ten years if the current trade deficit
continues?

What do you propose to do about health care? Taxation obviously isn't the
answer to any problem. I say the answer is keeping jobs in America and
paying a decent wage for American workers will in turn make group health
care affordable. My healthcare is almost 100% covered, my penion is
Federally managed, and my company is earning record products and our
stock price is going through the ceiling. We're also a 100% American
operation.

Stating a problem without proposing several possible credible solutions is
unacceptable to everyone. Why? We cannot continue to discuss or debate the
pros and cons of nothing!

Apparently you have issues with the Equity solution. Fine! I have a
problem with NO proposed solution.

Finally, like you, my retirement is also secure, an insured fully funded
annuity.

"Dave" wrote in message

And let me know how you like that Tennedyne HF log.
I'm using the KMA 8-element. How's the F/B on yours?

Pete

Dave wrote:
REDACTED: Waking up is NOT a proposal!! State a credible plan that people can
participate in that will provide credible cash flow in retirement.

I don't have one.
But I do have relatives who lived in countries where they were very rich,
and then the currency became worthless.

Having a guaranteed $5k a month income from a retirement program doesn't do
you much good when it costs $5k for a loaf of bread.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

Scott Dorsey wrote:
Dave wrote:
REDACTED: Waking up is NOT a proposal!! State a credible plan that people can
participate in that will provide credible cash flow in retirement.

I don't have one.
But I do have relatives who lived in countries where they were very rich,
and then the currency became worthless.

Having a guaranteed $5k a month income from a retirement program doesn't do
you much good when it costs $5k for a loaf of bread.
--scott

I think we could go a long ways towards fixing the problem by
doing the following:

1) Close the boarders to illegal immigration.
2) Make it illegal to hire illegal immigrants.
3) Tax American businesses that manufacture abroad as if they
were foreign businesses.
4) Tax software that is done in other countries as if it were
an import of a hard good.
5) Eliminate the H1B Visa program. We have plenty of out-of-work
hitech workers here already that just want to be paid fairly.

-Chuck

"Chuck Harris" wrote in message
I think we could go a long ways towards fixing the problem by
doing the following:

1) Close the boarders to illegal immigration.
2) Make it illegal to hire illegal immigrants.
3) Tax American businesses that manufacture abroad as if they
were foreign businesses.
4) Tax software that is done in other countries as if it were
an import of a hard good.
5) Eliminate the H1B Visa program. We have plenty of out-of-work
hitech workers here already that just want to be paid fairly.

-Chuck

And we should charge tariffs accordly based on how those countries
treat our exported products.

Pete

Uncle Peter wrote:

"Dave" wrote in message

And let me know how you like that Tennedyne HF log.
I'm using the KMA 8-element. How's the F/B on yours?

Pete



F/B is fair on 20 meters. It gets about 15 dB. [~3-5 % of energy in rear lobe]

It is Good to VG on 17 through 10 respectively. It looks like 20 to 25 dB on 10
meters.

That being said, all measurements are called into question because the S meter
is not accurately calibrated, because I'm not at a controlled antenna range,
because the signal source being compared is a variable based on propagation, etc.

Finally, after a significant 'wet' snow fall or ice storm the longer elements
looks like a 7 weight fly rod with a 7 pound trout attached. It is VERY
flexible!! [It quickly de-ices with a little sun though :-) ]

It has survived 70 to 80 mph wind and heavy ice loads. I would buy another one!