"exray" wrote in message
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Brian Hill wrote:

I don't see why I have to be gouged twice by Ebay and PayPal for
offering a
conveinant way to pay. Gezz only they can charge for everthing I guess?
Like
buyers can't read and make up there own mind.

It cuts both ways. A normal operating business considers expenses like
that as part of doing business. As a customer I would be outraged if I
went to a merchant and they charged me extra because I chose some
particular form of payment.

-BM

Bill your one of the brightest guys I've meet online but. Lets just put it
this way. I can either have a reserve that covers my cost or I can have no
reserve and just state the fees. Either way as with any sold product the
cost of doing biz is always past on to the buyer. What form it takes is
neither here nor there. So I guess I don't understand the outrage you would
have if I'm upfront with you on cost?

--
73 and good DXing.
Brian
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
A lot of radios and 100' of rusty wire!
Zumbrota, Southern MN
Brian's Radio Universe
http://webpages.charter.net/brianehill/

exray wrote:
Can you imagine having to pay for a portion of the roll of cash register
tape at the supermarket or them charging you for using the cashier?
Where do people get off thinking that these are legitimate things to
charge to a buyer?

Well...

....you *are* paying for them, in either case. (Where do you suppose the
money to pay for the cashiers and cash register tape comes from?)

--
John Miller
Email address: domain, n4vu.com; username, jsm

The only real advantage to punk music is that nobody can whistle it.

Brian Hill wrote:

"exray" wrote in message
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Brian Hill wrote:

I don't see why I have to be gouged twice by Ebay and PayPal for
offering a

conveinant way to pay. Gezz only they can charge for everthing I guess?

Like

buyers can't read and make up there own mind.

It cuts both ways. A normal operating business considers expenses like
that as part of doing business. As a customer I would be outraged if I
went to a merchant and they charged me extra because I chose some
particular form of payment.

-BM


Bill your one of the brightest guys I've meet online but. Lets just put it
this way. I can either have a reserve that covers my cost or I can have no
reserve and just state the fees. Either way as with any sold product the
cost of doing biz is always past on to the buyer. What form it takes is
neither here nor there. So I guess I don't understand the outrage you would
have if I'm upfront with you on cost?


Thanks...
The cost of doing business comes directly out of profits. Thats the way
it works for any vendor or merchant. You can't take 100% of the income
and insist that the buyer pick up the tab for your business costs.
In that light, the manner of presentation DOES matter.
What if a buyer sez, well ok-I'll mail a money order and then wants to
hit you with HIS costs of doing business like 37c postage and 85c for
the money order? You wouldn't think very highly of him as a buyer would
you?

-Bill

John Miller wrote:

exray wrote:

Can you imagine having to pay for a portion of the roll of cash register
tape at the supermarket or them charging you for using the cashier?
Where do people get off thinking that these are legitimate things to
charge to a buyer?


Well...

...you *are* paying for them, in either case. (Where do you suppose the
money to pay for the cashiers and cash register tape comes from?)


Exactly the point. They are being paid for already as "cost of doing
business" so the merchant need not ask you for more.

-BM

In your title or description did you say something like "not zenith
transoceanic", or "not like zenith transoceanic"? If so, that is keyword
spaming so that when someone searches on zenith transoceanic they get a
hit on your set which is not a zenith T/O, which is pretty sneaky at
best. As far as the paypal thing, how would you like it if every time
you use your visa or mastercard the merchant adds the credit card
percentage he pays to the price of the product. Bet you would really
scream. Ebay makes it very plain in their rules about the above
infractions so you really have no reason to cry. Why should the merchant
be gouged for having a convient way for you to pay?

Brian Hill wrote:

Ebay is strange. They pulled my auction because I refered to my
Hallicrafters World Wide as being like the Zenith TOs. They called it Search
manipulation and also I stated in my auction that Pay Pal Pymts must include
their transaction fee which is 2.9 percent+ $0.30 USD and they said:

Quote:
Pay Pal Pymts must include their transaction fee which is 2.9 percent+ $0.30
USD.

The above text is a reference to an additional charge for bidders who pay by
credit card or a separate payment processing service. This surcharge, which
is an added cost to the buyer over and above the final sale price and
reasonable shipping and handling costs, is not permitted on eBay.

Additional charges that are an added cost to the bidder over and above the
final sale price are not permitted by eBay. Currently, the only fees that
may be added to the final price of an eBay item are reasonable shipping and
handling fees, escrow service fees, and certain currency exchange fees.
More information about these fees can be found at the bottom of the eBay
listing policies page:

I don't see why I have to be gouged twice by Ebay and PayPal for offering a
conveinant way to pay. Gezz only they can charge for everthing I guess? Like
buyers can't read and make up there own mind.

"JJ" wrote in message
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In your title or description did you say something like "not zenith
transoceanic", or "not like zenith transoceanic"? If so, that is keyword
spaming so that when someone searches on zenith transoceanic they get a
hit on your set which is not a zenith T/O, which is pretty sneaky at
best.

No I just said Hallicrafters World Wide Like Zenith TO. I wasn't trying to
be sneaky. Its Hallicrafters version of the TO. Hallicrafters are just as
poular as Zenith and sell them selves on their own merit. I just stated it
because a lot of people like to collect the differant makes of those style
radios. I can see how some would use tactics like that though.

As far as the paypal thing, how would you like it if every time
you use your visa or mastercard the merchant adds the credit card
percentage he pays to the price of the product. Bet you would really
scream.

They do you just don't realize it. They just average out their overhead and
reflect it back into the price of their products.

Ebay makes it very plain in their rules about the above
infractions so you really have no reason to cry.

I'm not crying. Just talking and seeing peoples responses. I don't disagree
with you guys. If thats how people feel then I'll go with it.


Why should the merchant
be gouged for having a convient way for you to pay?

I agree. That was my point?


--
73 and good DXing.
Brian
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
A lot of radios and 100' of rusty wire!
Zumbrota, Southern MN
Brian's Radio Universe
http://webpages.charter.net/brianehill/

"exray" wrote in message Thanks...
The cost of doing business comes directly out of profits. Thats the way
it works for any vendor or merchant. You can't take 100% of the income
and insist that the buyer pick up the tab for your business costs.
In that light, the manner of presentation DOES matter.
What if a buyer sez, well ok-I'll mail a money order and then wants to
hit you with HIS costs of doing business like 37c postage and 85c for
the money order? You wouldn't think very highly of him as a buyer would
you?

-Bill

I'm going with it. I can see it isn't popular. I was just looking at it like
this.

Lets say a $50 radio okay and the total cost. This is just a quick guess.

So the buyer gives me $50
-Pay Pal 2.9 %+.30c=$48.25
- packing materiels $8=$40.25
- Ebay list fees $2.50=$37.75
then final value fee( say -$2)= $35.75
Then time packing and driving to the PO+Gas-$5=$30.75
and the radio is still worth $50

I guess you could charge shipping and handling? Thats withing Ebay guide
lines. I never charge for packing materiel and they are expensive or at the
least take time and money to find. And Bill you know what it takes to
properly pack a radio. So how would you go about handling cost?


--
73 and good DXing.
Brian
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
A lot of radios and 100' of rusty wire!
Zumbrota, Southern MN
Brian's Radio Universe
http://webpages.charter.net/brianehill/

Brian Hill wrote:

"exray" wrote in message Thanks...

The cost of doing business comes directly out of profits. Thats the way
it works for any vendor or merchant. You can't take 100% of the income
and insist that the buyer pick up the tab for your business costs.
In that light, the manner of presentation DOES matter.
What if a buyer sez, well ok-I'll mail a money order and then wants to
hit you with HIS costs of doing business like 37c postage and 85c for
the money order? You wouldn't think very highly of him as a buyer would
you?

-Bill


I'm going with it. I can see it isn't popular. I was just looking at it like
this.

Lets say a $50 radio okay and the total cost. This is just a quick guess.

So the buyer gives me $50
-Pay Pal 2.9 %+.30c=$48.25
- packing materiels $8=$40.25
- Ebay list fees $2.50=$37.75
then final value fee( say -$2)= $35.75
Then time packing and driving to the PO+Gas-$5=$30.75
and the radio is still worth $50

That is the chance you take with an auction, it could have gone for $20
or $200. If a item sells for less than you think it is worth, do you
think you should be able to make it up in other fees?

Brian Hill wrote:



No I just said Hallicrafters World Wide Like Zenith TO. I wasn't trying to
be sneaky. Its Hallicrafters version of the TO. Hallicrafters are just as
poular as Zenith and sell them selves on their own merit.


I just stated it
because a lot of people like to collect the differant makes of those style
radios. I can see how some would use tactics like that though.


I don't mean any offense, Brian, but the TO gang are a severe bunch.
Any radio nowadays that has a handle on top gets to be a TO clone or
companion model just by rights of appearing to be a similar suitcase
radio because well, they have a handle on top.
I personally have no affinity for radios with handles on top but many do
and they can be cutthroat when their favorite is compared to some other
'lesser' radio with a handle on top.


As far as the paypal thing, how would you like it

Been there already.

I figure some wacko pegged you on the quasi-TO thing plus the Paypal
issue and some 19 year old kid in San Jose was pressed for a decision
and he did what any idiot would do.

Relist the thing and up the minimum by 2.90 so as to cover your Pal Pay
and hide the word "zenith" well inside the text so the TO guys won't be
offended.

-BM

Brian Hill wrote:

"exray" wrote in message Thanks...

The cost of doing business comes directly out of profits.
I'm going with it. I can see it isn't popular. I was just looking at it like
this.

Lets say a $50 radio okay and the total cost. This is just a quick guess.

So the buyer gives me $50
-Pay Pal 2.9 %+.30c=$48.25
- packing materiels $8=$40.25
- Ebay list fees $2.50=$37.75
then final value fee( say -$2)= $35.75
Then time packing and driving to the PO+Gas-$5=$30.75
and the radio is still worth $50

I guess you could charge shipping and handling? Thats withing Ebay guide
lines. I never charge for packing materiel and they are expensive or at the
least take time and money to find. And Bill you know what it takes to
properly pack a radio. So how would you go about handling cost?


Brian, rarely does it take me any less than half an hour to scarf thru
my available boxes and figure out the combinations that would permit me
to properly pick the ones, or cut down the other ones with a razor
knife, to make a nice double boxed scenario. I'm in a town of about
7000 and if it rains here there ain't a decent box to be found for a few
days and box-finding could easily become a fulltime job.
If I'm lame in the effort is this the buyer's fault? I earn 1000/wk on
my real job so is my time searching dumpsters for boxes relevant as an
add on charge? Am I on the clock for wages once I sell something on
ebay? I could easily trump up 50 dollars of expense like you did on any
item I send out even if it were a single tube. Oh, did I mention my old
86 Isuzu doesn't get the best gas mileage to the Post Office? You get
the point, I hope.

Buyer buys=buyer knows about what shipping will cost. End of story. My
ebay costs, bad gas mileage, packing materials or the fact that I'm
crippled and have to pay alimony aren't the buyer's problem. Thats
"doing business" If I can't make the numbers work then I bail out. Not
a problem. Tagging on buyer surcharges ain't gonna float this raft.

You say $30.75 to pack and deliver to the PO. Are you hiring? I'll move
to Bum****, MN and pack all your stuff and go to the PO for $20/whack
giving you a 66% cost saving.....or is that not what you meant?

-BM