"1The choice to not use eBay is hardly a sign of ignorance."

Spoken like a truly ignorant person

lid wrote:

"1The choice to not use eBay is hardly a sign of ignorance."

Spoken like a truly ignorant person


The ebay bottom-feeders that we all strive to avoid often post here with
invalid IDs like lid

Bill M wrote:
lid wrote:

"1The choice to not use eBay is hardly a sign of ignorance."

Spoken like a truly ignorant person


The ebay bottom-feeders that we all strive to avoid often post here with
invalid IDs like lid

I learned about a year ago that using one's ID on these newsgroups is
very dangerous. Do a WEB search and you will find every post you ever
made or every post someone else has made. A good way to find out a lot
about a person for good and bad reasons.

EBay is a great place to do business and the Radio Mart's are few and
far between.

Now go do you WEB search and tell you what you found. Do it by your name
your handle if different and your email address.

Chuck Harris wrote:
Jik Bombo wrote:

"Chuck Harris" wrote in message
...

Two bad experiences are not enough to form a conclusion.



Not true. How many bad experiences are required to form a conclusion
is entirely up to the person forming the conclusion.

Whatever number he says is valid, is valid.

That's what freedom is all about.


So, what you are implying is I'm against freedom?

Let me put it this way, if a guy comes apon a crowded
city street, and runs headlong into the street, without
regard for the signals, and gets hit by a car, he might
conclude that it is very dangerous to cross that street.

Yet hundreds of thousands of others with, minimal schooling
in the ways of city traffic, can cross that same city street
without incident.


Hmmm, will the next analogy be about a woman who was assualted, but it
was her fault because she was pretty, or was wearing a nice skirt?
That's what you're doing here.

It was MY fault because I didn't check out the sellers feedback.

The unspoken statement that goes along with this is that since it was my
fault, it is acceptable for sellers to take advantage of the unaware.

Chuck, Ebay is simply not a good neighborhood. From my personal
experience, and from what I have read and observed, and had related to
me over the years, it is still not a good neighborhood.

That you come up with analogies such as me wearing a t-bone steak suit
(actually that was what my folks did to get the dog to play with me) ;^)
and now the running into the street thing, merely indicates that it is
not a good neighborhood.

Finally, there is an inconsistency in calling me naive after getting
screwed on Ebay twice. Seems as if stopping was the point at which I
lost the naivete




The conclusion drawn by the ignorant one is improperly formed.
Given the tiniest bit of schooling, he too could use ebay safely.

I suppose that with the proper schooling, one could have daily casual
sex with total strangers and not get STD's. No thanks, I'll pass.

- Mike KB3EIA -

lid wrote:

"1The choice to not use eBay is hardly a sign of ignorance."

Spoken like a truly ignorant person


So Ebay is where all the smart and educated folks hang out?

- Mike KB3EIA -

In article ,
lid wrote:

Bill M wrote:
lid wrote:

"1The choice to not use eBay is hardly a sign of ignorance."

Spoken like a truly ignorant person


The ebay bottom-feeders that we all strive to avoid often post here with
invalid IDs like lid

I learned about a year ago that using one's ID on these newsgroups is
very dangerous. Do a WEB search and you will find every post you ever
made or every post someone else has made.

Ha! Do a usenet search for me and you'll get several thousand machine
generated garbage posts by a net-abuser with a hard-on for news.admin.*

A good way to find out a lot about a person for good and bad reasons.

Go not unto usenet for information, for they will say yes, no and wrong group.

EBay is a great place to do business and the Radio Mart's are few and
far between.

There are enough of them out there to make caution a good choice.

Now go do you WEB search and tell you what you found. Do it by your name
your handle if different and your email address.

I don't need that much dippycrap, TYVM.

Chris.

Michael Coslo wrote:


Chuck Harris wrote:


Two bad experiences are not enough to form a conclusion.

Let me put it this way, if a guy comes apon a crowded
city street, and runs headlong into the street, without
regard for the signals, and gets hit by a car, he might
conclude that it is very dangerous to cross that street.

Yet hundreds of thousands of others with, minimal schooling
in the ways of city traffic, can cross that same city street
without incident.



Hmmm, will the next analogy be about a woman who was assualted, but
it was her fault because she was pretty, or was wearing a nice skirt?
That's what you're doing here.

It was MY fault because I didn't check out the sellers feedback.

The unspoken statement that goes along with this is that since it was my
fault, it is acceptable for sellers to take advantage of the unaware.

No, that is not my unspoken statement. My unspoken statement is that if
you are going to live in this brave new world, you must develop enough
"street smarts" to protect yourself.


Chuck, Ebay is simply not a good neighborhood. From my personal
experience, and from what I have read and observed, and had related to
me over the years, it is still not a good neighborhood.

To the same extent that ebay is a bad neighborhood, the entire internet
is a bad neighborhood. If you don't develop some "street smarts", you
*will* be taken advantage of. You can be caught by simply believing what
appears to be valid email from a trusted source. (such as Microsoft)

It shouldn't be this way, but we live in a world where there is both good
and evil, and every shade inbetween. By allowing the internet into your
home, you are allowing the most smarmy of scum to take a try at preying
upon you.


That you come up with analogies such as me wearing a t-bone steak
suit (actually that was what my folks did to get the dog to play with
me) ;^) and now the running into the street thing, merely indicates that
it is not a good neighborhood.

Finally, there is an inconsistency in calling me naive after getting
screwed on Ebay twice. Seems as if stopping was the point at which I
lost the naivete

I said that your naivete was why you got screwed. You lost your cherry
on ebay. Now, if you are a smart guy, you will put on your learning cap,
and start to figure out what you did wrong, and avoid repeating the mistake.

It wasn't being on ebay that got your CC stolen. It was being too trusting,
and too ignorant of scams that have flourished on the internet.

The mistake you made on the internet, that got your CC stolen, works on the
telephone too!

The conclusion drawn by the ignorant one is improperly formed.
Given the tiniest bit of schooling, he too could use ebay safely.


I suppose that with the proper schooling, one could have daily
casual sex with total strangers and not get STD's. No thanks, I'll pass.

You seem to want to miss the point entirely. Too bad, it ultimately will
be your loss.

I have found ebay to be a most useful tool for acquiring things I could never
find within a 100 mile radius of my town. Without ebay, I would never even know
they were available for sale. From my exposure to ebay, I would venture that
the bad apples are less than 0.001%.

- Mike KB3EIA -

I will leave you with this one tip: by advertising your call sign, you are
advertising your name, birthday, age, and address to anyone who wants to know.
Up until very recently, your SSN was also in the mix, thanks to congress and
the FCC.

Do you think that is a wise idea?

If you think ebay is bad, welcome to the usenet. Here, there are *no* controls!

-Chuck

Very well done response I can't add much other than even in day to day
personal dealing all the below applies.
Or in other words:

"Wake up and smell the garbage then get rid of it so you can smell the
roses."

Over 1000 deals on eBay with only one bad apple doesn't make eBay any
worse than any other place to do business either ON the WEB or OFF."

I believe in the beginning I did buy something from Radio-Mart and
wasn't that happy but just didn't buy anything else from him and went on
with my eBay life.



Chuck Harris wrote:
Michael Coslo wrote:



Chuck Harris wrote:


Two bad experiences are not enough to form a conclusion.


Let me put it this way, if a guy comes apon a crowded
city street, and runs headlong into the street, without
regard for the signals, and gets hit by a car, he might
conclude that it is very dangerous to cross that street.

Yet hundreds of thousands of others with, minimal schooling
in the ways of city traffic, can cross that same city street
without incident.




Hmmm, will the next analogy be about a woman who was assualted,
but it was her fault because she was pretty, or was wearing a nice
skirt? That's what you're doing here.

It was MY fault because I didn't check out the sellers feedback.

The unspoken statement that goes along with this is that since it was
my fault, it is acceptable for sellers to take advantage of the unaware.


No, that is not my unspoken statement. My unspoken statement is that if
you are going to live in this brave new world, you must develop enough
"street smarts" to protect yourself.


Chuck, Ebay is simply not a good neighborhood. From my personal
experience, and from what I have read and observed, and had related to
me over the years, it is still not a good neighborhood.


To the same extent that ebay is a bad neighborhood, the entire internet
is a bad neighborhood. If you don't develop some "street smarts", you
*will* be taken advantage of. You can be caught by simply believing what
appears to be valid email from a trusted source. (such as Microsoft)

It shouldn't be this way, but we live in a world where there is both good
and evil, and every shade inbetween. By allowing the internet into your
home, you are allowing the most smarmy of scum to take a try at preying
upon you.


That you come up with analogies such as me wearing a t-bone steak
suit (actually that was what my folks did to get the dog to play with
me) ;^) and now the running into the street thing, merely indicates
that it is not a good neighborhood.

Finally, there is an inconsistency in calling me naive after
getting screwed on Ebay twice. Seems as if stopping was the point at
which I lost the naivete


I said that your naivete was why you got screwed. You lost your cherry
on ebay. Now, if you are a smart guy, you will put on your learning cap,
and start to figure out what you did wrong, and avoid repeating the
mistake.

It wasn't being on ebay that got your CC stolen. It was being too
trusting,
and too ignorant of scams that have flourished on the internet.

The mistake you made on the internet, that got your CC stolen, works on the
telephone too!

The conclusion drawn by the ignorant one is improperly formed.
Given the tiniest bit of schooling, he too could use ebay safely.



I suppose that with the proper schooling, one could have daily
casual sex with total strangers and not get STD's. No thanks, I'll pass.


You seem to want to miss the point entirely. Too bad, it ultimately will
be your loss.

I have found ebay to be a most useful tool for acquiring things I could
never
find within a 100 mile radius of my town. Without ebay, I would never
even know
they were available for sale. From my exposure to ebay, I would venture
that
the bad apples are less than 0.001%.


- Mike KB3EIA -


I will leave you with this one tip: by advertising your call sign, you are
advertising your name, birthday, age, and address to anyone who wants to
know.
Up until very recently, your SSN was also in the mix, thanks to congress
and
the FCC.

Do you think that is a wise idea?

If you think ebay is bad, welcome to the usenet. Here, there are *no*
controls!

-Chuck

This is all covered in the predictions of Nostradamus. With the recent
passing of the pope, we again must look to the great prophet for what our
future will bring. And clearly eBay is the Anti-Christ. The 'end times' are
here.

Too bad. I really wanted to get my FRR-59 running before the entire universe
was swallowed up in flames.

Bummer.

Chuck Harris wrote:

Michael Coslo wrote:



Chuck Harris wrote:


Two bad experiences are not enough to form a conclusion.


Let me put it this way, if a guy comes apon a crowded
city street, and runs headlong into the street, without
regard for the signals, and gets hit by a car, he might
conclude that it is very dangerous to cross that street.

Yet hundreds of thousands of others with, minimal schooling
in the ways of city traffic, can cross that same city street
without incident.




Hmmm, will the next analogy be about a woman who was assualted,
but it was her fault because she was pretty, or was wearing a nice
skirt? That's what you're doing here.

It was MY fault because I didn't check out the sellers feedback.

The unspoken statement that goes along with this is that since it was
my fault, it is acceptable for sellers to take advantage of the unaware.


No, that is not my unspoken statement. My unspoken statement is that if
you are going to live in this brave new world, you must develop enough
"street smarts" to protect yourself.


Chuck, Ebay is simply not a good neighborhood. From my personal
experience, and from what I have read and observed, and had related to
me over the years, it is still not a good neighborhood.


To the same extent that ebay is a bad neighborhood, the entire internet
is a bad neighborhood. If you don't develop some "street smarts", you
*will* be taken advantage of. You can be caught by simply believing what
appears to be valid email from a trusted source. (such as Microsoft)

It shouldn't be this way, but we live in a world where there is both good
and evil, and every shade inbetween. By allowing the internet into your
home, you are allowing the most smarmy of scum to take a try at preying
upon you.


That you come up with analogies such as me wearing a t-bone steak
suit (actually that was what my folks did to get the dog to play with
me) ;^) and now the running into the street thing, merely indicates
that it is not a good neighborhood.

Finally, there is an inconsistency in calling me naive after
getting screwed on Ebay twice. Seems as if stopping was the point at
which I lost the naivete


I said that your naivete was why you got screwed. You lost your cherry
on ebay. Now, if you are a smart guy, you will put on your learning cap,
and start to figure out what you did wrong, and avoid repeating the
mistake.

It wasn't being on ebay that got your CC stolen. It was being too
trusting, and too ignorant of scams that have flourished on the internet.


I didn't have my CC info stolen. It was the fiance of a fellow that I
work with. That probably got lost in the mix somewhere.



The mistake you made on the internet, that got your CC stolen, works on the
telephone too!


Heck Chuck, we don't have to do anything to have things stolen.
LexisNexis massive Personal info debacle as a point.

If we don't want our information being out there and vulnerable we have
to deal in cash only, and only buy in person.

The conclusion drawn by the ignorant one is improperly formed.
Given the tiniest bit of schooling, he too could use ebay safely.



I suppose that with the proper schooling, one could have daily
casual sex with total strangers and not get STD's. No thanks, I'll pass.


You seem to want to miss the point entirely. Too bad, it ultimately will
be your loss.

I have found ebay to be a most useful tool for acquiring things I could
never find within a 100 mile radius of my town. Without ebay, I would never
even know they were available for sale. From my exposure to ebay, I would venture
that the bad apples are less than 0.001%.




I will leave you with this one tip: by advertising your call sign, you are
advertising your name, birthday, age, and address to anyone who wants to
know. Up until very recently, your SSN was also in the mix, thanks to congress
and the FCC.

Do you think that is a wise idea?

All that info is readable just by being a ham.

And since a lot of people believe that they can make themselves
anonymous on the internet, try posting something really nasty that will
get the attention of the authorities. Then you will find out the extent
of your anonymity.

That I choose to post as myself is one of those choices that I made a
long time ago. You may choose to think I'm stupid.

- Mike KB3EIA -