That's BS! If what you have stated is true, no one would run more than 10
watts. Believe me, 20 dB is _very_ noticeable.

"Scott Dorsey" wrote in message
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vt245 wrote:
Right, it's only 20 dB. That is far less than the day to day propagation
variations. Only 3 1/3 S-units. Not much at all.

John N9JG wrote:
That's BS! If what you have stated is true, no one would run more than 10
watts. Believe me, 20 dB is _very_ noticeable.

Sure, it's very noticeable. But, as someone running half a watt CW
these days, I can say that it's not everything.
--scott

--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

Scott Dorsey wrote:

There are plenty of decent used linear amps out there if you want to go
that route, but if you think about it in dB, 1000W isn't _that_ much
more than 10W.


What??? 10W - 1000W is 20db. Distance doubles every 6db - do the math...

Only a few S-units at the receiver.

Talking about "S-units" in such a discussion is meaningless *unless* one
has checked the calibration of one's meter - AND states the
calibration characteristics to qualify the readings.

The reason is there is no "universal definition or standard" of "S
units". There have been proposals - but so far no standards. The
proposal that seemed to have had the best chance was made in the 40's -
and that was where S9 = 50uv (at the antenna connector) - and each "S
unit" down being -6db. As noted - that never became a standard - in fact
today most modern receivers seem to be around 5db per S unit The reason
seems to be that using -5db/S results in S0 below 50uv being right
around the noise floor of most rigs - i.e. .2uv (S+N/N=10db).

But unless one states what specific characteristics of "S units" they
are using - talking about "S units" is meaningless (i.e. a "few" "S
units" could be 3db - they could be 18db - or more -- who knows if it's
not stated).


sheeesh...
--
randy guttery

A Tender Tale - a page dedicated to those Ships and Crews
so vital to the United States Silent Service:
http://tendertale.com

Agreed , QRP can be very cool.

I am finding similar results with PSK and helshreiber on less than 50 watts
with regular European contacts.

And yes, you can make bunches of CW contacts with a single 6L6.




"Scott Dorsey" wrote in message
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John N9JG wrote:
That's BS! If what you have stated is true, no one would run more than 10
watts. Believe me, 20 dB is _very_ noticeable.

Sure, it's very noticeable. But, as someone running half a watt CW
these days, I can say that it's not everything.
--scott

--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

What??? 10W - 1000W is 20db. Distance doubles every 6db - do the math...

6db is for voltage and current NOT for power .... do the research




"Randy or Sherry Guttery" wrote in message
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Scott Dorsey wrote:

There are plenty of decent used linear amps out there if you want to go
that route, but if you think about it in dB, 1000W isn't _that_ much
more than 10W.


What??? 10W - 1000W is 20db. Distance doubles every 6db - do the math...

Only a few S-units at the receiver.

Talking about "S-units" in such a discussion is meaningless *unless* one
has checked the calibration of one's meter - AND states the calibration
characteristics to qualify the readings.

The reason is there is no "universal definition or standard" of "S units".
There have been proposals - but so far no standards. The proposal that
seemed to have had the best chance was made in the 40's - and that was
where S9 = 50uv (at the antenna connector) - and each "S unit" down
being -6db. As noted - that never became a standard - in fact today most
modern receivers seem to be around 5db per S unit The reason seems to be
that using -5db/S results in S0 below 50uv being right around the noise
floor of most rigs - i.e. .2uv (S+N/N=10db).

But unless one states what specific characteristics of "S units" they are
using - talking about "S units" is meaningless (i.e. a "few" "S units"
could be 3db - they could be 18db - or more -- who knows if it's not
stated).


sheeesh...
--
randy guttery

A Tender Tale - a page dedicated to those Ships and Crews
so vital to the United States Silent Service:
http://tendertale.com

Johnson desk kilowatt, lots of them get driven by Rangers.

Ron

To buy an EFJ Desk Kilowatt you need to be prepared to
mortgage your house, wife, and kids or win the lottery...

vt245 wrote:
What??? 10W - 1000W is 20db. Distance doubles every 6db - do the math...

6db is for voltage and current NOT for power .... do the research

Ok so I mixed db and dbi, point for you. Now tell me that 1000W is
"almost" indistinguishable at the recieving end from 10W - and S-units
are a valid comparison standard...


Sheeesh.
--
randy guttery

A Tender Tale - a page dedicated to those Ships and Crews
so vital to the United States Silent Service:
http://tendertale.com

Randy or Sherry Guttery wrote:

Ok so I mixed db and dbi, point for you. Now tell me that 1000W is
"almost" indistinguishable at the recieving end from 10W - and S-units
are a valid comparison standard...

Well this time my spell checker got me - try again - mixed dB and dBu,

(field strength). that's what i get for shooting fast and from the hip...
--
randy guttery

A Tender Tale - a page dedicated to those Ships and Crews
so vital to the United States Silent Service:
http://tendertale.com

Randy or Sherry Guttery wrote:
vt245 wrote:
What??? 10W - 1000W is 20db. Distance doubles every 6db - do the math...

6db is for voltage and current NOT for power .... do the research

Ok so I mixed db and dbi, point for you. Now tell me that 1000W is
"almost" indistinguishable at the recieving end from 10W - and S-units
are a valid comparison standard...

I won't tell you that they are almost indistinguishable. But I will say
that S-units should be a valid comparison standard, at least with military
gear that _is_ calibrated in 6 dB increments.
--scott

--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

If you are only satisfied with the VERY best, then follow this link. This
particular rig only runs 500 watts on 160, but that's because that was the
legal 160 meter limit when the transmitter was sold. I am sure it would be
easy to remove the artificial power constraint for 160 meters. Go for it!
http://www.wa3key.com/kw1.html

"Lazy Senior" wrote in message
newsse9f.3726$zT6.3512@trnddc06...
I recently acquired a Viking Ranger in nice working condx.

I am interested in using this on AM on 160, 80, and 40 mtrs. The Ranger
runs around 40 watts Am carrier output. I would like to get an amplifier
to use with this xmtr, maybe a vintage amp. What should I be looking for?
I would like to run legal Am Limit on these 3 bands. Should I forget about
Vintage Amps and get a modern Amp? Suggestions please. Any pitfalls to
using a modern Amp?

Thanx

Lazy Senior