"Frank Gilliland" wrote in message
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On Mon, 8 Nov 2004 09:05:21 -0600, "Chad Wahls"
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"Frank Gilliland" wrote in message
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And 4 watts on Ch. 9 will reach 10 miles without a problem if
you have a decent antenna because there is very little noise on the
channel. So I don't see your reasons as justification for an amp.


No noise on channel 9!?!?!? Have you listened to ch9 lately?

Seems that ch 9 lately has been the telemundo of CB!!!!!

Is this Mexico's calling channel?

Chad


I monitor Ch. 9. It's pretty quiet around my parts. Since it's noisy
where you are, how does the noise compare with the rest of the band?



I'm on really flat land, first off, we're talkin' REALLY FLAT, that may make
a difference. I usually get pelted by the normal ch6, ch11 everything else
is fairly quiet down there except 19, which is obvious. I started
monotoring ch 9 on the bench while doing repairs, I stopped when I could not
listen to music because the spanish gibberish and swearing was too much for
the squelch to keep it down for effective safety monotoring. Same thing
happened in the pickup with just a 3' Firestik and the former cheapo cobra,
so I know it's not my "amazing" base antenna Dunno, maybe I'm just in
the right spot, where are you located Frank? I'm in Central Illinois.
Pretty far away from Mexico or other spanish speaking countries.

Chad

"Frank Gilliland" wrote in message
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On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 05:26:25 GMT, "Landshark"
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"Frank Gilliland" wrote in message
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If you are getting that much interference in a radio dead-zone then it
isn't much of a radio dead-zone, is it? And if the other end of your
comm can't seperate your fundamental from all the QRM then just how
'remote' is this place? Doesn't seem that remote to me. It sounds like
you are just making excuses.

Your more than welcome to go fishing, hunting, 4 wheeling with me and
bring
your cell. It might be usefull for telling time but useless to talk on
in
some places that I frequent. You obviously live in an area with great
cell
coverage. I do not. You are looking for excuses to argue.


On the contrary, it is -you- that is making excuses to run illegally.
If you are in a radio dead-zone then how does your signal get out at
all? It won't.

I live in Spokane, WA. I have worked with a couple logging companies
in both the Cascades and Rockies (which is why I mentioned those two
mountain ranges previously). You can bet that there are places where
comm sucks. There are large areas where there is no cell phone
coverage, at least not officially. But at those altitudes, all you
need to do is climb up to a peak with a 3-watt phone and you can
easily hit a cell tower 50 miles away. If you don't believe me, take
note of a recent incident on Mt. Rainier where a climber was rescued
after contacting a hunter 40 miles away with his FRS.

And if you are in a canyon or deep valley, it doesn't matter how much
power you run, there's nothing you can do on radio unless you have VLF
or satellite.

Well Frank, you know I off road a lot, and there are times
where both Ham & cb freqs will work, with a little extra help
and cells don't work worth the powder to blow them up.


I found that digital phones are far more fussy than their old analog
predecessors. And some services just plain suck for coverage.


I was at a Bronco event in Ariz, we were between canyon walls,
doing some serious rock crawling, one rig was trying to traverse the 6.5"
rock wall. Well he broke his spring perch, nobody had a portable
welder on them. Got on the radio, his rig was stock, another person
had a rig with a 100 watts, fired it up, got a hold a someone a couple
miles away.


Well now you have been reading this group long enough to know that
there could be a multitude of reasons why that is. I might be inclined
to believe that terrain was a factor if I knew that the stock radio
was working properly and had a good..... hold the phone: he busted his
suspension on a 6.5" rock wall? What were these rigs -- RC cars?

No, bad typing, 6.5'. 2 rigs out of 5 made it up without being
winched. Only one rig got the most damage ( the one with
broken perch's). Well one rig had a cobra radio, can't remember
the model with a 102". It was working fine in my opinion, got
out good to the camp most of the time when at altitude. The other
radio's seemed to work ok, I remember when we went ahead
and were on top of the trail, we heard them just fine.


He wheeled in and welded up the spring perch. We
could've hiked up to a point and got a cell signal, but back at the
camp, cell signals were non existent, so the radio came to work
better.
Now I too am also fast becoming a believer in sat phones,
almost anywhere you can get a signal, just like the sat radio (XM)
which I subscribed too now.


I don't have much interest in XM -- takes the fun out of long trips. I
actually enjoy fiddling with the radio, finding local stations and
hearing what's going on in the town I'm passing through. But I'm
rapidly losing interest in that, too, now that most of the stations
are controlled by the broadcast monopolies and sound pretty much the
same.

Just curious, can you get AM local advisory stations with an XM radio?

On my Pioneer, XM is like the Aux mode, so you can switch
between regular & XM with a push of the button. As for "local",
it depends on which station your listening too at the time

Landshark


--
Treat people as if they were what
they ought to be and you will help
them become what they are capable
of becoming.

On Tue, 9 Nov 2004 08:15:34 -0600, "Chad Wahls"
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I'm on really flat land, first off, we're talkin' REALLY FLAT, that may make
a difference. I usually get pelted by the normal ch6, ch11 everything else
is fairly quiet down there except 19, which is obvious. I started
monotoring ch 9 on the bench while doing repairs, I stopped when I could not
listen to music because the spanish gibberish and swearing was too much for
the squelch to keep it down for effective safety monotoring. Same thing
happened in the pickup with just a 3' Firestik and the former cheapo cobra,
so I know it's not my "amazing" base antenna Dunno, maybe I'm just in
the right spot, where are you located Frank? I'm in Central Illinois.
Pretty far away from Mexico or other spanish speaking countries.


I'm in the Columbia Basin. Pretty quiet, although we do get skip from
California and Mexico from time to time. Occasionally Alberta, too.
The east coast comes in low and steady, but nothing from the midwest.






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On Tue, 9 Nov 2004 08:15:34 -0600, "Chad Wahls"
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I'm on really flat land, first off, we're talkin' REALLY FLAT, that may make
a difference. I usually get pelted by the normal ch6, ch11 everything else
is fairly quiet down there except 19, which is obvious. I started
monotoring ch 9 on the bench while doing repairs, I stopped when I could not
listen to music because the spanish gibberish and swearing was too much for
the squelch to keep it down for effective safety monotoring. Same thing
happened in the pickup with just a 3' Firestik and the former cheapo cobra,
so I know it's not my "amazing" base antenna Dunno, maybe I'm just in
the right spot, where are you located Frank? I'm in Central Illinois.
Pretty far away from Mexico or other spanish speaking countries.


I'm in the Columbia Basin. Pretty quiet, although we do get skip from
California and Mexico from time to time. Occasionally Alberta, too.
The east coast comes in low and steady, but nothing from the midwest.






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From: (Frank=A0Gilliland)
On Mon, 8 Nov 2004 10:11:34 -0500, (Twistedhed)
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Frank Gilliland wrote:
The 'freeband' is attractive because many

people want a license-free ham band.

Nah,,that's not it. Many folks are not even of the US, let alone aware
what we consider a "ham band".

They want the benefits without the

responsibility or the effort.

Compared to WHAT?

Ham radio.

The only benefit gained by freebanding is more dx than regular cb, and
at other times, less crowded than cb 1-40. Cb has always had less
responsibility than hammie radio and stereotyping those who gravitate
toward it as folks wanting less responsibility is way overthinking why
folks play with cb. Folks play with cb for a mess of reasons, but not
wanting "responsibility" has more than likely, not ever been a decision
of one when purchasing a radio.

I was referring to freebanding, not CB. You

are correct, people are attracted to CB for a

variety of reasons, only one of which is the

licence-free aspect. But again, the CB is not

the freeband, and the latter is used mostly by

those who want to play hammie without the

responsibility or accountability of a license.



I don't believe that. I wasn't even aware of hammie radio when I started
swapping crystals and going in between freqs. And again, many
freebanders are not of the US origin and have no concept of hammie
radio, let alone opinion of or attempts to imitate it.


I have no problem stereotyping -freebanders-

into that category, which is what I did.


Yea, but it's not even close to being valid. The freeband has its share
of hammies from here and abroad.

_
And no effort at all is required to change the
dial.

Or to turn up the squelch.


HF dx chasers need it wide open,,,the freeband takes all comers, good
and bad, which mostly happens to be polite and courteous users. There is
more bleed and discontent to be found on cb AM than the freeband.


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"I Am Not George" wrote in message
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"DR. Death" wrote in message
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"Frank Gilliland" wrote in message
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Not all hams are rude. On the contrary, most hams that I have met
are
quite agreeable. They are people, just like everyone else. And I
don't
know why you wouldn't like ham radio when that is basically what
you
are doing already on the 'freeband'. The only difference is that
you
would be doing it legally. Does that take the fun out of it for
you?

No it doesn't. It may very well be fun. In fact there are a lot of good
things I would like about ham radio, mostly the tech side. I didn't
state
all hams are bad, just the ones I have talked to, they tend to treat
C.B.ers as second class citizens and I won't be a part of that.

S o your going to let a few hams who look down on cbers stop you from
getting a license? ,,you give up too easy is the real problem I think.

Give up? When did I start? I have been a C.B.er for 30+ years. I can count
on 1 hand the number of hams that have not slammed me for being a C.B.er. I
won't turn my back on a hobby I love and join the ranks of those that feel
they were gifted by God with their ham ticket.

"DR. Death" wrote in message
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I can count on 1 hand the number of hams that have not slammed me for
being a C.B.er.

zackly

I won't turn my back on a hobby I love and join the ranks of those that
feel they were gifted by God with their ham ticket.

zackly

-Dr.X

"Dr.X" wrote
"DR. Death" wrote in message
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I can count on 1 hand the number of hams that have not slammed me
for
being a C.B.er.

zackly

I won't turn my back on a hobby I love and join the ranks of those
that
feel they were gifted by God with their ham ticket.

zackly

-Dr.X


did they slam you before or after you told them you operated out of
band and would never give that up

"I Am Not George" wrote in message
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"Dr.X" wrote
"DR. Death" wrote in message
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I can count on 1 hand the number of hams that have not slammed me
for
being a C.B.er.

zackly

I won't turn my back on a hobby I love and join the ranks of those
that
feel they were gifted by God with their ham ticket.

zackly

-Dr.X


did they slam you before or after you told them you operated out of
band and would never give that up

Is it my news reader or is it that you don't know how to participate in a
news group discussion? It seems that your replies end up in odd places. The
thread is thata-way ---

Anywayz, I find that most hams that look down on CB'rs don't wait to find
out what set of frequencies the CBr prefers. I was told I was CB trash back
when I first keyed a radio at the age of 12. The ham never even knew me. He
just happend to be next door wroking (10m I'll guess) when my freind and I
hung a 1/4 wave whip out my 2nd floor window, switched to channel 14 said
"breaker".

He was a dick back then, if he's still alive he's probably a dick today, and
if he's a troll, he's probably trolling this group being a dick right now.
Who knows, maybe if it weren't for so many dicks like him, there'd be more
licensed hams.

-Dr.X

"Dr.X" wrote:
"I Am Not George" wrote in message
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"Dr.X" wrote
"DR. Death" wrote in message
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I can count on 1 hand the number of hams that have not slammed me
for
being a C.B.er.

zackly

I won't turn my back on a hobby I love and join the ranks of those
that
feel they were gifted by God with their ham ticket.

zackly

-Dr.X


did they slam you before or after you told them you operated out of
band and would never give that up

Is it my news reader or is it that you don't know how to participate in a
news group discussion? It seems that your replies end up in odd places.
The thread is thata-way ---

He's google ****ed.