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![]() "Dave Hall" wrote in message ... On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 03:48:46 GMT, "Landshark" wrote: "Dave Hall" wrote in message . .. On Sat, 08 Jan 2005 05:19:54 GMT, "Landshark" wrote: "Dave Hall" wrote in message m... On Fri, 7 Jan 2005 10:57:27 -0500, (Twistedhed) wrote: From: (Dave Hall) wrote: The "DX" has nothing to do with the amount of splatter and the distortion a signal may have. The only effect that "DX" may have is heterodyning of co-channel signals. In any case, when my observations were made, the "DX" was not running heavy enough that a clean sample of any particular transmission could not be made. Ummm, no Dave. DX has everything to do with DX splatter. No, it doesn't. Dx is simply an enhancement of the atmosphere which allows a signal to propagate farther then normal line of sight. It does not add "splatter" to an otherwise clean signal. Ah, that explains everything. So when a normal channel has maybe 5 to 10 operators, add another 100 because of skip conditions, of course there will be some running clipped & mod radio's, you don't think that enhances the splatter? Not to any one single radio signal. You are confusing heterodyning with splatter. So therefore it can be assumed that a roger beep and (even more definite) an echo box could be considered "entertainment" or "amusement" devices and, as such, are specifically prohibited. You can make the point that the FCC doesn't care enough to make a case about these things, and I would probably agree with you. But the fact remains that they are prohibited by the rules. We've gone over this before Dave, your wrong. I have referenced two part 95 rules which address both the issue of permissible non-voice transmissions and also prohibited transmissions which include devices which are used for entertainment and amusement. Conversely there are no rules which specifically allow either a roger beep (and other noise makers) or echo boxes. Since neither are defined under permissible non-voice transmissions, it can reasonably be concluded that these devices would be considered amusement or entertainment devices, and as such prohibited. You tell me I'm wrong, then please prove it by providing the rules which allow these devices. If I showed you CB radio's being sold BRAND NEW with roger beeps, will that do? It will tell me that there are a few companies which are willing to play loose and fast with the rules, until they are spanked for it. Galaxy radios are notorious for catering to the illegal freeband market. It's no surprise that they push the limit. Knowing that the FCC is not all that interested in small CB rule issues, they take the gamble that they won't be judged. They're probably right.... There is still nothing in the rules which allow for devices that can be considered entertainment. Why Dave, I get ton's of entertainment from my Cobra 146, but it's not illegal. Again, you are grasping for straws on the roger beep, it's legal. Now the echo crap, even if it was legal, it should be outlawed. Dave "Sandbagger" Landshark -- That does suck..sometimes you're the windshield..sometimes you're the bug. |
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![]() "Landshark" wrote in message news ![]() "U Know Who" wrote in message ... "itoldyouiamnotiamnotgeorge" wrote in message ... "Landshark" wrote in m: "Lancer" wrote in message ... On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 03:48:46 GMT, "Landshark" wrote: "Lancer" wrote in message .. . On Sat, 08 Jan 2005 05:19:54 GMT, "Landshark" wrote: "Dave Hall" wrote in message news:jchtt015vv23ohkgo426pto6drp2ssqeo5@4a x.com... On Fri, 7 Jan 2005 10:57:27 -0500, (Twistedhed) wrote: From: (Dave Hall) wrote: The "DX" has nothing to do with the amount of splatter and the distortion a signal may have. The only effect that "DX" may have is heterodyning of co-channel signals. In any case, when my observations were made, the "DX" was not running heavy enough that a clean sample of any particular transmission could not be made. Ummm, no Dave. DX has everything to do with DX splatter. The only thing DX has to do with DX splatter is that if "DX" isn't running you wouldn't hear it. Probably, but if you have a 100 radio's and a third of them are running their modulation clipped, then you will hear it even worse, correct? It would only be worse because now you can hear the 100 radios. Splatter or out of bounds emissions are those falling outside the normal bandwidth of a signal and are the result of modulation. Correct DX doesn't cause splatter it allows it to propgate farther. Correct. When you have a lot more radio's trying to talk on one freq, don't you think that it will now increase your adjacent channel splatter? Only because you now can hear more radios. skip doesn't cause splatter. Take the same 100 radios that were causing splatter when the skip was running (all stations running S9). Now move them all so they are local to you (again all stations running S9). From what you have said you believe the splatter is going to decrease ? Well. It has been my experience that when skips running, you will have more incidents of adjacent channel splatter than when it's not. I'm sure "Skip" is not causing it, but it sure does "Heighten" it. Landshark It doesnt heighten it assclowns think they need major watts to talk skip, so you are hearing hundreds more amp bozos with thier splatter boxes cranked up the reason it is heightened is because they are giving you a strong enough signal to splatter your reciever, listen carefully I said it in a post about 1 day ago, take a guy in your area in a mobile running a 1kw class c splatter box, he is giving you 10+ on the meter and tearing your radio up, as he drives further away he is still using the splatter box, why isnt he bleeding over as bad or at all now? Because he isnt overloading the front end of your reciever now his signal strength is down.. Very good George! I knew you had it in you. Hey Randy, staying warm? I won't say that Geo's analogy is wrong. Again, If you have one radio splattering ok, but when you have dozens of radio's splattering, wouldn't the overload be worse than with just one radio? Of course, then wouldn't that say that DX is helping the splatter happen? Landshark No, the number of radios makes no difference. You'll hear the strongest. What does matter is signal strength and selectivity. If the signal level is low enough, you don't have splatter. The DX is only allowing the signal to propagate farther, with less loss than normal. It won't make the signal stronger. What you have to remember is, in the very small distances we are talking about (thousands of miles), that radio waves do not degrade much in what is almost a line of sight path. I realize the Earth is curved, but so is the atmosphere, and at times it makes an excellent mirror. So, you have basically taken normal attenuation for over the horizon and ground loss out of the equation. That's why the signals can splatter with skip. Oh, and it's in the 70's here now. Where the hell was winter? |
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"Landshark" wrote:
__ o /' ) /' ( , __/' ) .' `; o _.-~~~~' ``---..__ .' ; _.--' b) LANDSHARK ``--...____. .' ( _. )). `-._ `\|\|\|\|)-.....___.- `-. __...--'-.'. `---......____...---`.___.'----... .' `.; `-` ` Hold still while I get my snag rig ready, any choice in colors? |
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"Landshark" wrote:
"Steveo" wrote in message ... Dave Hall wrote: You, of all people, know what an illegal operator sounds like. Auuuuuuuddddiiiooo..auuuuuuudddddiiioooo. click click g Careful, click click is considered amusement and you microphone would then be illegal :P Landshark Reckon a Browning ping with a roger beep is over-kill? |
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On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 13:15:34 GMT, Lancer wrote:
On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 07:56:21 -0500, Dave Hall wrote: On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 17:29:28 GMT, Lancer wrote: On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 09:40:30 -0500, (Twistedhed) wrote: From: (Dave*Hall) On Fri, 7 Jan 2005 15:37:50 -0500, (Twistedhed) wrote: N3CVJ said The "DX" has nothing to do with the amount of splatter and the distortion a signal may have. It has everything to with it. For the amount of times you professed to having talked skip on the freeband, followed by recent denials of you talking skip, you should know that on MANY occasion, a signal can be severely wavering from an S1 to an S9 (for but one of many examples),,,when that signal is coming in at an S9, the splatter may be intense if you changed the channel and went one up or down. When that signal is coming in on a wavering S1, you will hear absolutely nothing on your next channel. Once again, the wavering is a direct result of...taa daaa....skip. You may not hear anything on the next channel because the signal may not be strong enough or because of "selective fading" . Splatter is caused by the modulation, it may or may not be intensified by skip. But it is not caused by "skip" If you had a constant carrier(no modulation), skip or not, you wouldn't have splatter. He probably thinks that FM won't skip either...... Dave "Sandbagger" Who? The person who thinks skip causes an otherwise clean signal to splatter. Dave "Sandbagger" |
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On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 10:52:58 -0500, Dave Hall
wrote in : snip BTW, there are apparently 1800 overvotes in King County, which makes a legitimate case for contesting the election. Now I could support his case except if that was the only issue. But it's not. One problem I have is when Rossi made his 'non-concession' speech he claimed that he didn't want or need the job. So I don't see the point for the state to spend millions of dollars so Rossi can get another chance at a job he doesn't even want. Also, Gregoire has conducted herself professionally; during the hand recount she stated publically that she would accept the result regardless of the victor. OTOH, after the hand recount Rossi has been making an ass of himself just like Gore did in 2000. Even worse -- when he was in the lead by a mere 42 votes he held a victory party, took a Carribean cruise, then came back and announced his transistion team -- without a single complaint about the legitimacy of the results. Now that he's losing by a slightly larger margin, legitimacy is his primary reason for demanding a second election. And when Gregoire went to court to get legitimate votes counted, Rossi whined that the election should not be decided by the courts, yet that's exactly what he's trying to do now and for the very same reason. So circumstances are a little different here than in Ohio. I'll fully support voting reform in this state, but I won't support a hypocrite governor. Hell, even Kerry had the decency to stand down in order to preserve the integrity of the office and his party -- Rossi is just being a crybaby a-la Gore. ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 100,000 Newsgroups ---= East/West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =--- |
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N3CVJ:
The person who thinks skip causes an otherwise clean signal to splatter. Dave "Sandbagger" You are the *only* person to mention such a monster. |
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![]() "Steveo" wrote in message ... "Landshark" wrote: __ o /' ) /' ( , __/' ) .' `; o _.-~~~~' ``---..__ .' ; _.--' b) LANDSHARK ``--...____. .' ( _. )). `-._ `\|\|\|\|)-.....___.- `-. __...--'-.'. `---......____...---`.___.'----... .' `.; `-` ` Hold still while I get my snag rig ready, any choice in colors? LOL!!! just use a good quality beer, that hooks me every time. Landshark -- Is it so frightening to have me at your shoulder? Thunder and lightning couldn't be bolder. I'll write on your tombstone, ``I thank you for dinner.'' This game that we animals play is a winner. |
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On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 05:51:39 -0800, Frank Gilliland
wrote: On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 10:52:58 -0500, Dave Hall wrote in : snip BTW, there are apparently 1800 overvotes in King County, which makes a legitimate case for contesting the election. This is all you have to write. If there is sufficient evidence of fraud then there should be changes made ana new election conducted, with stricter oversight to prevent the same thing from happening again. Now I could support his case except if that was the only issue. But it's not. One problem I have is when Rossi made his 'non-concession' speech he claimed that he didn't want or need the job. So I don't see the point for the state to spend millions of dollars so Rossi can get another chance at a job he doesn't even want. Also, Gregoire has conducted herself professionally; during the hand recount she stated publically that she would accept the result regardless of the victor. OTOH, after the hand recount Rossi has been making an ass of himself just like Gore did in 2000. Even worse -- when he was in the lead by a mere 42 votes he held a victory party, took a Carribean cruise, then came back and announced his transistion team -- without a single complaint about the legitimacy of the results. Now that he's losing by a slightly larger margin, legitimacy is his primary reason for demanding a second election. And when Gregoire went to court to get legitimate votes counted, Rossi whined that the election should not be decided by the courts, yet that's exactly what he's trying to do now and for the very same reason. So circumstances are a little different here than in Ohio. I'll fully support voting reform in this state, but I won't support a hypocrite governor. Hell, even Kerry had the decency to stand down in order to preserve the integrity of the office and his party -- Rossi is just being a crybaby a-la Gore. It sounds like you are letting your personal feeling WRT Rossi cloud your objective conclusion that the vote was tainted. It is irrelevant how any one candidate behaved. What is relevant is that there is a good chance that the person who "won" the election, may not have been the people's true choice. We won't know that unless those discrepancies are resolved. Dave "Sandbagger" |
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