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Help on SSB failure
I am talking to a local on 38 LSB. I am cutting out after about 2-3 seconds of
talking. He says I am fine for about 2-3 seconds, and then just go dead. Not happening on AM. I switched power mics, with the same result. Also happend on USB. Then I went and put the radio in the car, and the problem went away. The local said it's my power supply not having enough juice. But it's 12 amp constant, 14 amp surge. It's a PyramidPS-14KX. Again, I am running barefoot with a HR-2510. Is it the power supply? Should I add more caps for filtering? Can anyone help? Vinnie S. |
You still need a bigger Power supply, The Pyramid brand has a tendency to
advertise more than what they actually put out. I had the same problem. Invest in a nice 20 Amp Astron, or tripp-lite power supply and that will take care of things for you. You can always get a good deal on one used if you look. Qrz.com classifieds, Qth.com classifieds, etc. Good luck! |
I am talking to a local on 38 LSB. I am cutting out after about 2-3 seconds of
talking. He says I am fine for about 2-3 seconds, and then just go dead. Not happening on AM. I switched power mics, with the same result. Also happend on USB. Then I went and put the radio in the car, and the problem went away. The local said it's my power supply not having enough juice. But it's 12 amp constant, 14 amp surge. It's a PyramidPS-14KX. Again, I am running barefoot with a HR-2510. Is it the power supply? Should I add more caps for filtering? Can anyone help? Vinnie S. You are running an ILLEGAL KEYCLOWN RADIO no wonder it don't work right. |
On Sat, 5 Feb 2005 00:32:26 -0600, "Jim" wrote:
You still need a bigger Power supply, The Pyramid brand has a tendency to advertise more than what they actually put out. I had the same problem. Invest in a nice 20 Amp Astron, or tripp-lite power supply and that will take care of things for you. You can always get a good deal on one used if you look. Qrz.com classifieds, Qth.com classifieds, etc. Good luck! The HR-2510 has a 7 amp fuse. So if what you are saying is correct, thei supply can't pull half of it's rating? Vinnie S. |
Vinnie S. wrote:
I am talking to a local on 38 LSB. I am cutting out after about 2-3 seconds of talking. He says I am fine for about 2-3 seconds, and then just go dead. Not happening on AM. I switched power mics, with the same result. Also happend on USB. Then I went and put the radio in the car, and the problem went away. The local said it's my power supply not having enough juice. But it's 12 amp constant, 14 amp surge. It's a PyramidPS-14KX. Again, I am running barefoot with a HR-2510. Is it the power supply? Should I add more caps for filtering? Can anyone help? Vinnie S. Try finding a small (inexpensive) 13.8V Car battery, and hooking it in parallel (+ to + and - to -) with your power supply.. The battery will pick up the slack the power supply can't provide, and the supply will charge the battery when you're not talking.. Neat solution... One caveat, though.. once the battery is at full charge, you'll need to either turn off the power supply, or turn something on (a radio, etc) to provide SOME load to the power supply so the batter doesn't get overcharged. I run all my HAM base station gear like this... -SSB |
On Sat, 05 Feb 2005 16:18:45 GMT, SideBand wrote:
Vinnie S. wrote: I am talking to a local on 38 LSB. I am cutting out after about 2-3 seconds of talking. He says I am fine for about 2-3 seconds, and then just go dead. Not happening on AM. I switched power mics, with the same result. Also happend on USB. Then I went and put the radio in the car, and the problem went away. The local said it's my power supply not having enough juice. But it's 12 amp constant, 14 amp surge. It's a PyramidPS-14KX. Again, I am running barefoot with a HR-2510. Is it the power supply? Should I add more caps for filtering? Can anyone help? Vinnie S. Try finding a small (inexpensive) 13.8V Car battery, and hooking it in parallel (+ to + and - to -) with your power supply.. The battery will pick up the slack the power supply can't provide, and the supply will charge the battery when you're not talking.. Neat solution... One caveat, though.. once the battery is at full charge, you'll need to either turn off the power supply, or turn something on (a radio, etc) to provide SOME load to the power supply so the batter doesn't get overcharged. I run all my HAM base station gear like this... -SSB I am still trying to narrow it down. This might be an intermittent problem. I was talking SSB during the day, and this didn't occur. Could it be an RF feedback problem? I just installed an 8 foot ground rod, and will run the wire tonight. Would this dissipate some of the RF? Vinnie S. |
Vinnie S. wrote:
On Sat, 05 Feb 2005 16:18:45 GMT, SideBand wrote: Vinnie S. wrote: I am talking to a local on 38 LSB. I am cutting out after about 2-3 seconds of talking. He says I am fine for about 2-3 seconds, and then just go dead. Not happening on AM. I switched power mics, with the same result. Also happend on USB. Then I went and put the radio in the car, and the problem went away. The local said it's my power supply not having enough juice. But it's 12 amp constant, 14 amp surge. It's a PyramidPS-14KX. Again, I am running barefoot with a HR-2510. Is it the power supply? Should I add more caps for filtering? Can anyone help? Vinnie S. Try finding a small (inexpensive) 13.8V Car battery, and hooking it in parallel (+ to + and - to -) with your power supply.. The battery will pick up the slack the power supply can't provide, and the supply will charge the battery when you're not talking.. Neat solution... One caveat, though.. once the battery is at full charge, you'll need to either turn off the power supply, or turn something on (a radio, etc) to provide SOME load to the power supply so the batter doesn't get overcharged. I run all my HAM base station gear like this... -SSB I am still trying to narrow it down. This might be an intermittent problem. I was talking SSB during the day, and this didn't occur. Could it be an RF feedback problem? I just installed an 8 foot ground rod, and will run the wire tonight. Would this dissipate some of the RF? Vinnie S. Depends on how (and where) you have it hooked up. NEI, if you remember that from school... -SSB |
Vinnie S. wrote:
I am talking to a local on 38 LSB. I am cutting out after about 2-3 seconds of talking. He says I am fine for about 2-3 seconds, and then just go dead. Not happening on AM. I switched power mics, with the same result. Also happend on USB. Then I went and put the radio in the car, and the problem went away. The local said it's my power supply not having enough juice. But it's 12 amp constant, 14 amp surge. It's a PyramidPS-14KX. Again, I am running barefoot with a HR-2510. Is it the power supply? Should I add more caps for filtering? Can anyone help? Shoulda bought a bigger PS. Jeff Vinnie S. |
On Sun, 6 Feb 2005 10:14:15 -0800, "Jeff Mayner" wrote:
Vinnie S. wrote: I am talking to a local on 38 LSB. I am cutting out after about 2-3 seconds of talking. He says I am fine for about 2-3 seconds, and then just go dead. Not happening on AM. I switched power mics, with the same result. Also happend on USB. Then I went and put the radio in the car, and the problem went away. The local said it's my power supply not having enough juice. But it's 12 amp constant, 14 amp surge. It's a PyramidPS-14KX. Again, I am running barefoot with a HR-2510. Is it the power supply? Should I add more caps for filtering? Can anyone help? Shoulda bought a bigger PS. Brilliant. Vinnie S. |
On Sun, 06 Feb 2005 02:27:24 GMT, SideBand wrote:
Vinnie S. wrote: On Sat, 05 Feb 2005 16:18:45 GMT, SideBand wrote: Vinnie S. wrote: I am talking to a local on 38 LSB. I am cutting out after about 2-3 seconds of talking. He says I am fine for about 2-3 seconds, and then just go dead. Not happening on AM. I switched power mics, with the same result. Also happend on USB. Then I went and put the radio in the car, and the problem went away. The local said it's my power supply not having enough juice. But it's 12 amp constant, 14 amp surge. It's a PyramidPS-14KX. Again, I am running barefoot with a HR-2510. Is it the power supply? Should I add more caps for filtering? Can anyone help? Vinnie S. Try finding a small (inexpensive) 13.8V Car battery, and hooking it in parallel (+ to + and - to -) with your power supply.. The battery will pick up the slack the power supply can't provide, and the supply will charge the battery when you're not talking.. Neat solution... One caveat, though.. once the battery is at full charge, you'll need to either turn off the power supply, or turn something on (a radio, etc) to provide SOME load to the power supply so the batter doesn't get overcharged. I run all my HAM base station gear like this... -SSB I am still trying to narrow it down. This might be an intermittent problem. I was talking SSB during the day, and this didn't occur. Could it be an RF feedback problem? I just installed an 8 foot ground rod, and will run the wire tonight. Would this dissipate some of the RF? Vinnie S. Depends on how (and where) you have it hooked up. NEI, if you remember that from school... -SSB Here is a weird one. When I went to measure PEP on the meter, my SSB seem to be modulating, almost like it was holding a carrier. Even if I turn the mic all the way down, and don't talk, it appears to me measure a full peak my the power meter, and also the radio meter. What is weirder is it appears to be channels 35 and higher on SSB. The lower channels seem to be normal on SSB. They show power only when you are talking. Vinnie S. |
Vinnie S. wrote:
I am talking to a local on 38 LSB. I am cutting out after about 2-3 seconds of talking. He says I am fine for about 2-3 seconds, and then just go dead. Not happening on AM. I switched power mics, with the same result. Also happend on USB. Then I went and put the radio in the car, and the problem went away. The local said it's my power supply not having enough juice. But it's 12 amp constant, 14 amp surge. It's a PyramidPS-14KX. Again, I am running barefoot with a HR-2510. Is it the power supply? Should I add more caps for filtering? Can anyone help? Vinnie I hate to say it but you are running a keyclown radio, and with keyclown radios the previous owners usually go inside with the golden screwdriver doing "mods" in an attempt to get more "swing" and more watts, etc. one of the symptoms is your radio showing SSB output when you're not even talking, a sure sign of some ignorant tech inside. Get rid of it. |
I have read elsewhere that Pyramid power supplies are adversely affected by
RF. They don't have filtering to keep RF from following the power wires back to the regulator. However, I think there may be a problem with the radio. Has it been used long on this P.S. or is it a new setup? Can you borrow a different P.S. from a friend to verify the problem? Chris "Vinnie S." wrote in message ... On Sat, 5 Feb 2005 00:32:26 -0600, "Jim" wrote: You still need a bigger Power supply, The Pyramid brand has a tendency to advertise more than what they actually put out. I had the same problem. Invest in a nice 20 Amp Astron, or tripp-lite power supply and that will take care of things for you. You can always get a good deal on one used if you look. Qrz.com classifieds, Qth.com classifieds, etc. Good luck! The HR-2510 has a 7 amp fuse. So if what you are saying is correct, thei supply can't pull half of it's rating? Vinnie S. |
Inaudible RF feedback through the mic? Bad balanced modulator? I would look
for bad grounds and cold solder joints inside the radio. Just out of curiosity, does that radio have a mic sensitivity VR on SSB and has it been turned up? Chris "Vinnie S." wrote in message ... On Sun, 06 Feb 2005 02:27:24 GMT, SideBand wrote: Vinnie S. wrote: On Sat, 05 Feb 2005 16:18:45 GMT, SideBand wrote: Vinnie S. wrote: I am talking to a local on 38 LSB. I am cutting out after about 2-3 seconds of talking. He says I am fine for about 2-3 seconds, and then just go dead. Not happening on AM. I switched power mics, with the same result. Also happend on USB. Then I went and put the radio in the car, and the problem went away. The local said it's my power supply not having enough juice. But it's 12 amp constant, 14 amp surge. It's a PyramidPS-14KX. Again, I am running barefoot with a HR-2510. Is it the power supply? Should I add more caps for filtering? Can anyone help? Vinnie S. Try finding a small (inexpensive) 13.8V Car battery, and hooking it in parallel (+ to + and - to -) with your power supply.. The battery will pick up the slack the power supply can't provide, and the supply will charge the battery when you're not talking.. Neat solution... One caveat, though.. once the battery is at full charge, you'll need to either turn off the power supply, or turn something on (a radio, etc) to provide SOME load to the power supply so the batter doesn't get overcharged. I run all my HAM base station gear like this... -SSB I am still trying to narrow it down. This might be an intermittent problem. I was talking SSB during the day, and this didn't occur. Could it be an RF feedback problem? I just installed an 8 foot ground rod, and will run the wire tonight. Would this dissipate some of the RF? Vinnie S. Depends on how (and where) you have it hooked up. NEI, if you remember that from school... -SSB Here is a weird one. When I went to measure PEP on the meter, my SSB seem to be modulating, almost like it was holding a carrier. Even if I turn the mic all the way down, and don't talk, it appears to me measure a full peak my the power meter, and also the radio meter. What is weirder is it appears to be channels 35 and higher on SSB. The lower channels seem to be normal on SSB. They show power only when you are talking. Vinnie S. |
On Mon, 07 Feb 2005 07:26:05 GMT, "Chris"
wrote: I have read elsewhere that Pyramid power supplies are adversely affected by RF. They don't have filtering to keep RF from following the power wires back to the regulator. However, I think there may be a problem with the radio. Has it been used long on this P.S. or is it a new setup? Can you borrow a different P.S. from a friend to verify the problem? Chris I think it's the power supply. Radio works fine in the car. Vinnie S. |
On Mon, 07 Feb 2005 07:31:33 GMT, "Chris"
wrote: Inaudible RF feedback through the mic? Bad balanced modulator? I would look for bad grounds and cold solder joints inside the radio. Just out of curiosity, does that radio have a mic sensitivity VR on SSB and has it been turned up? Chris, I just attached a 6 gauge ground wire to a 8 foot ground rod. The distance is faily short, probably less than 20 feet. Radio seems fine on AM. Plus a couple of hams on the CB, have said thet I definitely need a power supply. Vinnie S. |
On Fri, 04 Feb 2005 23:49:44 -0500, Vinnie S.
wrote: I am talking to a local on 38 LSB. I am cutting out after about 2-3 seconds of talking. He says I am fine for about 2-3 seconds, and then just go dead. Not happening on AM. I switched power mics, with the same result. Also happend on USB. Then I went and put the radio in the car, and the problem went away. The local said it's my power supply not having enough juice. But it's 12 amp constant, 14 amp surge. It's a PyramidPS-14KX. Again, I am running barefoot with a HR-2510. Is it the power supply? Should I add more caps for filtering? I need a little more information. Do the radio lights actually dim when this happens? I does seem to sound like a power supply issue, but you should be able to talk farther from the mike (Which allows the radio to not peak as highly) and if it's a simple supply problem, at some point the radio will work ok if it isn't putting out full power. The 2510 should not draw more than about 5 or 6 amps, depending on whether the radio is totally stock, or whether the ALC has been cranked open (Which will allow a 45 to 50 watts peak SSB output). Pyramid supplies are not rated as one of the best (Although I have a 30 amp, and it seems to do alright), but I would think you are well within the rating of it with your radio. Dave "Sandbagger" http://home.ptd.net/~n3cvj |
On Mon, 07 Feb 2005 11:41:12 -0500, Dave Hall wrote:
On Fri, 04 Feb 2005 23:49:44 -0500, Vinnie S. wrote: I am talking to a local on 38 LSB. I am cutting out after about 2-3 seconds of talking. He says I am fine for about 2-3 seconds, and then just go dead. Not happening on AM. I switched power mics, with the same result. Also happend on USB. Then I went and put the radio in the car, and the problem went away. The local said it's my power supply not having enough juice. But it's 12 amp constant, 14 amp surge. It's a PyramidPS-14KX. Again, I am running barefoot with a HR-2510. Is it the power supply? Should I add more caps for filtering? I need a little more information. Do the radio lights actually dim when this happens? No. I does seem to sound like a power supply issue, but you should be able to talk farther from the mike (Which allows the radio to not peak as highly) and if it's a simple supply problem, at some point the radio will work ok if it isn't putting out full power. The 2510 should not draw more than about 5 or 6 amps, depending on whether the radio is totally stock, or whether the ALC has been cranked open (Which will allow a 45 to 50 watts peak SSB output). I have not modded this radio. I am waiting on a dummy load. I do have a question. How high can I DK it and how how can I turn up the ALC, without overdriving the final? Vinnie S. |
On Mon, 07 Feb 2005 19:06:53 -0500, Vinnie S.
wrote: On Mon, 07 Feb 2005 11:41:12 -0500, Dave Hall wrote: On Fri, 04 Feb 2005 23:49:44 -0500, Vinnie S. wrote: I am talking to a local on 38 LSB. I am cutting out after about 2-3 seconds of talking. He says I am fine for about 2-3 seconds, and then just go dead. Not happening on AM. I switched power mics, with the same result. Also happend on USB. Then I went and put the radio in the car, and the problem went away. The local said it's my power supply not having enough juice. But it's 12 amp constant, 14 amp surge. It's a PyramidPS-14KX. Again, I am running barefoot with a HR-2510. Is it the power supply? Should I add more caps for filtering? I need a little more information. Do the radio lights actually dim when this happens? No. Hmmm.... I suspect that this is not a simple insufficient current "power supply" issue. The power supply may be related, but there's something else in the mix that we don't know about yet. I does seem to sound like a power supply issue, but you should be able to talk farther from the mike (Which allows the radio to not peak as highly) and if it's a simple supply problem, at some point the radio will work ok if it isn't putting out full power. The 2510 should not draw more than about 5 or 6 amps, depending on whether the radio is totally stock, or whether the ALC has been cranked open (Which will allow a 45 to 50 watts peak SSB output). I have not modded this radio. I am waiting on a dummy load. I do have a question. How high can I DK it and how how can I turn up the ALC, without overdriving the final? Is this the older version of the 2510 with the MRF-477 final in it? If so, the radio is capable of between 45 and 50 watts of peak SSB power (with the ALC cranked open). For best power with some protection from distortion, you can safely run it up to between 35 and 40 watts. It's also capable of about the same peak power on AM, which means that you should not set the carrier power above 12 watts, if you want to maintain enough headroom for 100% modulation. Be careful though, the MRF 477 transistor is no longer manufactured, and there is no direct replacement for it. So if you blow it, your choices become limited. You might be able to locate someone who may still have old stock of the '477 (at a premium price), or you can retrofit another device, which can be done, but usually at a loss of peak power out. Dave "Sandbagger" http://home.ptd.net/~n3cvj |
On Tue, 08 Feb 2005 07:13:01 -0500, Dave Hall wrote:
Hmmm.... I suspect that this is not a simple insufficient current "power supply" issue. The power supply may be related, but there's something else in the mix that we don't know about yet. I does seem to sound like a power supply issue, but you should be able to talk farther from the mike (Which allows the radio to not peak as highly) and if it's a simple supply problem, at some point the radio will work ok if it isn't putting out full power. The 2510 should not draw more than about 5 or 6 amps, depending on whether the radio is totally stock, or whether the ALC has been cranked open (Which will allow a 45 to 50 watts peak SSB output). I have not modded this radio. I am waiting on a dummy load. I do have a question. How high can I DK it and how how can I turn up the ALC, without overdriving the final? Is this the older version of the 2510 with the MRF-477 final in it? Yes. If so, the radio is capable of between 45 and 50 watts of peak SSB power (with the ALC cranked open). For best power with some protection from distortion, you can safely run it up to between 35 and 40 watts. It's also capable of about the same peak power on AM, which means that you should not set the carrier power above 12 watts, if you want to maintain enough headroom for 100% modulation. Be careful though, the MRF 477 transistor is no longer manufactured, and there is no direct replacement for it. So if you blow it, your choices become limited. You might be able to locate someone who may still have old stock of the '477 (at a premium price), or you can retrofit another device, which can be done, but usually at a loss of peak power out. Dave "Sandbagger" http://home.ptd.net/~n3cvj Vinnie S. |
On Mon, 07 Feb 2005 19:06:53 -0500, Vinnie S.
wrote: On Mon, 07 Feb 2005 11:41:12 -0500, Dave Hall wrote: On Fri, 04 Feb 2005 23:49:44 -0500, Vinnie S. wrote: I am talking to a local on 38 LSB. I am cutting out after about 2-3 seconds of talking. He says I am fine for about 2-3 seconds, and then just go dead. Not happening on AM. I switched power mics, with the same result. Also happend on USB. Then I went and put the radio in the car, and the problem went away. The local said it's my power supply not having enough juice. But it's 12 amp constant, 14 amp surge. It's a PyramidPS-14KX. Again, I am running barefoot with a HR-2510. Is it the power supply? Should I add more caps for filtering? I need a little more information. Do the radio lights actually dim when this happens? No. Hmmm.... I suspect that this is not a simple insufficient current "power supply" issue. The power supply may be related, but there's something else in the mix that we don't know about yet. I does seem to sound like a power supply issue, but you should be able to talk farther from the mike (Which allows the radio to not peak as highly) and if it's a simple supply problem, at some point the radio will work ok if it isn't putting out full power. The 2510 should not draw more than about 5 or 6 amps, depending on whether the radio is totally stock, or whether the ALC has been cranked open (Which will allow a 45 to 50 watts peak SSB output). I have not modded this radio. I am waiting on a dummy load. I do have a question. How high can I DK it and how how can I turn up the ALC, without overdriving the final? Is this the older version of the 2510 with the MRF-477 final in it? If so, the radio is capable of between 45 and 50 watts of peak SSB power (with the ALC cranked open). For best power with some protection from distortion, you can safely run it up to between 35 and 40 watts. It's also capable of about the same peak power on AM, which means that you should not set the carrier power above 12 watts, if you want to maintain enough headroom for 100% modulation. Be careful though, the MRF 477 transistor is no longer manufactured, and there is no direct replacement for it. So if you blow it, your choices become limited. You might be able to locate someone who may still have old stock of the '477 (at a premium price), or you can retrofit another device, which can be done, but usually at a loss of peak power out. Dave "Sandbagger" http://home.ptd.net/~n3cvj Dave I am hearing CBers on AM in the 10 meter cw band right now. Thanks for helping another unlicensed outlaw get his peaked up tweaked up illegal rig on the air to join them. Putz. |
On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 15:16:09 -0500, Dave Hall wrote:
Be careful though, the MRF 477 transistor is no longer manufactured, and there is no direct replacement for it. So if you blow it, your choices become limited. You might be able to locate someone who may still have old stock of the '477 (at a premium price), or you can retrofit another device, which can be done, but usually at a loss of peak power out. Dave "Sandbagger" http://home.ptd.net/~n3cvj Dave I am hearing CBers on AM in the 10 meter cw band right now. Thanks for helping another unlicensed outlaw get his peaked up tweaked up illegal rig on the air to join them. Putz. You're welcome. Dave, Tell the moron I am not on 10 meters. I don't stoop to his level. Vinnie S. |
On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 01:46:42 GMT, Lancer wrote:
http://home.ptd.net/~n3cvj Dave I am hearing CBers on AM in the 10 meter cw band right now. Thanks for helping another unlicensed outlaw get his peaked up tweaked up illegal rig on the air to join them. Putz. You're welcome. Dave, Tell the moron I am not on 10 meters. I don't stoop to his level. Vinnie S. And by that you mean you are just an illegal outlaw on the 11 meter band? Illegal is illegal isn't it? So is driving 56 mph in a 55. But I am sure you have never done that. Hypocracy at it's finest. Vinnie S. |
On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 01:46:42 GMT, Lancer wrote:
http://home.ptd.net/~n3cvj Dave I am hearing CBers on AM in the 10 meter cw band right now. Thanks for helping another unlicensed outlaw get his peaked up tweaked up illegal rig on the air to join them. Putz. You're welcome. Dave, Tell the moron I am not on 10 meters. I don't stoop to his level. Vinnie S. And by that you mean you are just an illegal outlaw on the 11 meter band? Illegal is illegal isn't it? So is driving 56 mph in a 55. But I am sure you have never done that. Hypocracy at it's finest. Vinnie S. There you go Dave, you have "enabled" an outlaw Cber and he even used the 56 in a 55 mph zone excuse. Proud? [PLONK!] |
Vinnie S. wrote:
So is driving 56 mph in a 55. But I am sure you have never done that. Hypocracy at it's finest. Depends on the state. Most states give you 10% leeway for differences in speedometer calibration. Oregon doesn't have speed limits in most places, opting for a less strictly enforced posted speed (difference is the posted speed signs say SPEED, whereas hard limits say SPEED LIMIT). In either case, if conditions are bad, you can get a speeding ticket for going slower than the posted speed (ie, doing 50 in a 60 zone on ice). -- Paul Johnson http://ursine.ca/~baloo/ |
On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 21:25:37 -0800, Paul Johnson wrote:
Vinnie S. wrote: So is driving 56 mph in a 55. But I am sure you have never done that. Hypocracy at it's finest. Depends on the state. Most states give you 10% leeway for differences in speedometer calibration. No they don't. The speed limits signs or laws do not say 55 or 65, +/- 10%. That is nothing more than the descretion of the cop that tickets you. Vinnie S. |
On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 04:50:07 GMT, wrote:
On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 01:46:42 GMT, Lancer wrote: http://home.ptd.net/~n3cvj Dave I am hearing CBers on AM in the 10 meter cw band right now. Thanks for helping another unlicensed outlaw get his peaked up tweaked up illegal rig on the air to join them. Putz. You're welcome. Dave, Tell the moron I am not on 10 meters. I don't stoop to his level. Vinnie S. And by that you mean you are just an illegal outlaw on the 11 meter band? Illegal is illegal isn't it? So is driving 56 mph in a 55. But I am sure you have never done that. Hypocracy at it's finest. Vinnie S. There you go Dave, you have "enabled" an outlaw Cber and he even used the 56 in a 55 mph zone excuse. Proud? Extremely. Dave "Sandbagger" http://home.ptd.net/~n3cvj |
On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 21:25:37 -0800, Paul Johnson
wrote: Vinnie S. wrote: So is driving 56 mph in a 55. But I am sure you have never done that. Hypocracy at it's finest. Depends on the state. Most states give you 10% leeway for differences in speedometer calibration. Oregon doesn't have speed limits in most places, opting for a less strictly enforced posted speed (difference is the posted speed signs say SPEED, whereas hard limits say SPEED LIMIT). In either case, if conditions are bad, you can get a speeding ticket for going slower than the posted speed (ie, doing 50 in a 60 zone on ice). In Pa. they are required to give 5 MPH to take care of "Speedometer" and speed measuring inaccuracies. In addition, just to avoid court challenges to the precise accuracy of the speed measuring equipment (Usually VASCAR on non-state patrolled roads, and RADAR on state police patrolled roads), most of the cops I know tell me that they unofficially give people 9 MPH over the posted limit before they start pulling people over. Of course there might be a new hard-assed rookie who might not be so "kind"....... Dave "Sandbagger" |
On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 05:49:49 -0500, Vinnie S.
wrote: On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 21:25:37 -0800, Paul Johnson wrote: Vinnie S. wrote: So is driving 56 mph in a 55. But I am sure you have never done that. Hypocracy at it's finest. Depends on the state. Most states give you 10% leeway for differences in speedometer calibration. No they don't. The speed limits signs or laws do not say 55 or 65, +/- 10%. That is nothing more than the descretion of the cop that tickets you. That depends on the state. Some states (I believe Maryland is one) have what they refer to as "Zero tolerance" 65 MPH. They can bust you for 66, or so I've been told. I don't know how many cases have been fought over speedometer or other potential speed inaccuracies and how well the "zero tolerance" aspect has held up. Most car speedometers are not so accurate that a 1 MPH difference is all that hard to believe. Just putting one size larger tires on your car can make that difference. People have fought a speeding ticket on this basis and have won. That's part of the reason why Pa. gives some leeway. Most cops don't want to have to appear in traffic court when the chances are good the case could get thrown out. However, it's a lot harder to make a case for speedometer inaccuracies when you're 10 MPH or more over. Dave |
On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 21:49:12 -0500, Vinnie S.
wrote: On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 01:46:42 GMT, Lancer wrote: http://home.ptd.net/~n3cvj Dave I am hearing CBers on AM in the 10 meter cw band right now. Thanks for helping another unlicensed outlaw get his peaked up tweaked up illegal rig on the air to join them. Putz. You're welcome. Dave, Tell the moron I am not on 10 meters. I don't stoop to his level. Vinnie S. And by that you mean you are just an illegal outlaw on the 11 meter band? Illegal is illegal isn't it? So is driving 56 mph in a 55. But I am sure you have never done that. Hypocracy at it's finest. Vinnie S. Oh, because someone else breaks a "law" you are entiltled to break any "Law" you see fit. Grow up Vinnie, quit trying to rationalize your behavior. |
Lancer wrote:
On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 21:49:12 -0500, Vinnie S. wrote: On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 01:46:42 GMT, Lancer wrote: http://home.ptd.net/~n3cvj Dave I am hearing CBers on AM in the 10 meter cw band right now. Thanks for helping another unlicensed outlaw get his peaked up tweaked up illegal rig on the air to join them. Putz. You're welcome. Dave, Tell the moron I am not on 10 meters. I don't stoop to his level. Vinnie S. And by that you mean you are just an illegal outlaw on the 11 meter band? Illegal is illegal isn't it? So is driving 56 mph in a 55. But I am sure you have never done that. Hypocracy at it's finest. Vinnie S. Oh, because someone else breaks a "law" you are entiltled to break any "Law" you see fit. Grow up Vinnie, quit trying to rationalize your behavior. He's being supported in his rationalization by Dave "the outlaw elmer" Hall. |
On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 13:05:12 GMT, Lancer wrote:
And by that you mean you are just an illegal outlaw on the 11 meter band? Illegal is illegal isn't it? So is driving 56 mph in a 55. But I am sure you have never done that. Hypocracy at it's finest. Vinnie S. Oh, because someone else breaks a "law" you are entiltled to break any "Law" you see fit. Grow up Vinnie, quit trying to rationalize your behavior. Oh, you you admit breaking the law? I knew you were a hypocrite. Looks like you are the one that needs to rationalize. Vinnie S. |
On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 16:15:01 -0500, Vinnie S.
wrote: On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 13:05:12 GMT, Lancer wrote: And by that you mean you are just an illegal outlaw on the 11 meter band? Illegal is illegal isn't it? So is driving 56 mph in a 55. But I am sure you have never done that. Hypocracy at it's finest. Vinnie S. Oh, because someone else breaks a "law" you are entiltled to break any "Law" you see fit. Grow up Vinnie, quit trying to rationalize your behavior. Oh, you you admit breaking the law? I knew you were a hypocrite. Looks like you are the one that needs to rationalize. Vinnie S. where did he admit he broke the law? |
On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 15:24:31 -0600, Johnny Cash wrote:
On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 16:15:01 -0500, Vinnie S. wrote: On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 13:05:12 GMT, Lancer wrote: And by that you mean you are just an illegal outlaw on the 11 meter band? Illegal is illegal isn't it? So is driving 56 mph in a 55. But I am sure you have never done that. Hypocracy at it's finest. Vinnie S. Oh, because someone else breaks a "law" you are entiltled to break any "Law" you see fit. Grow up Vinnie, quit trying to rationalize your behavior. Oh, you you admit breaking the law? I knew you were a hypocrite. Looks like you are the one that needs to rationalize. Vinnie S. where did he admit he broke the law? When he said, "Oh, because someone else breaks a "law" you are entiltled to break any "Law" you see fit. Sounds pretty much like he has broken it to me. And I would pretty much bet that he has sped at least once in his life, and gone over the limit. That pretty much makes him an "outlaw". Vinnie S. |
On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 07:56:05 -0500, Dave Hall wrote:
On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 21:25:37 -0800, Paul Johnson wrote: Vinnie S. wrote: So is driving 56 mph in a 55. But I am sure you have never done that. Hypocracy at it's finest. Depends on the state. Most states give you 10% leeway for differences in speedometer calibration. Oregon doesn't have speed limits in most places, opting for a less strictly enforced posted speed (difference is the posted speed signs say SPEED, whereas hard limits say SPEED LIMIT). In either case, if conditions are bad, you can get a speeding ticket for going slower than the posted speed (ie, doing 50 in a 60 zone on ice). In Pa. they are required to give 5 MPH to take care of "Speedometer" and speed measuring inaccuracies. In addition, just to avoid court challenges to the precise accuracy of the speed measuring equipment (Usually VASCAR on non-state patrolled roads, and RADAR on state police patrolled roads), most of the cops I know tell me that they unofficially give people 9 MPH over the posted limit before they start pulling people over. Of course there might be a new hard-assed rookie who might not be so "kind"....... My brother in law is a cop. It's at the descretion of the cop. Since most often this is a revenue generating system. The judge and cop are on the same municipal team. If they want to beat you at 1 mph, they will. The reason they give 10mph extra, is because everyone goes over the speed limit. They would be up to their ears in court. So they take the abusers. But I highly doubt it's the inaccuracies of the equipment or speedometers, because like you said, some states have zero tolerance. So don't think you can claim the equipment is inaccurate in one state, and perfect in another. I really think it's just the descretion of the cop. Vinnie S. |
Vinnie S. wrote:
No they don't. The speed limits signs or laws do not say 55 or 65, +/- 10%. That is nothing more than the descretion of the cop that tickets you. Go read ORS chapter 810 sometime. It's up on leg.state.or.us. It does work that way in Oregon. And as said before, save for a few miles of interstate or a few well-travelled blocks of narrow secondary streets, Oregon has never had speed limits. Posted speeds, yes, in which you're allowed to drive faster if conditions warrant (on a clear, sunny day with dry pavement and light traffic with a posted speed of 70, a cop pulling you over for doing 85 will have a hard time getting a conviction in court unless it was a LIMIT 70 and not a SPEED 70 sign and the cops know this). Oregon and Washington both give 10% margins for differences in speedometer calibration because very rarely are speedometers spot on. You could easily be doing 59 with your speedometer reading 55. The speedometer in my 1995.5 Kia Sportage reads 62 when it's doing 60, my roommate's 2000 Ford Ranger reads 57 at 60 MPH. If you got a ticket for doing 1 MPH over the speed limit, and you didn't fight it in court, you're a moron, here's your sign. -- Paul Johnson http://ursine.ca/~baloo/ |
Dave Hall wrote:
Most car speedometers are not so accurate that a 1 MPH difference is all that hard to believe. Just putting one size larger tires on your car can make that difference. Well, you're supposed to get your instruments recalibrated after changing tire size. But differences as much as 5 MPH can happen depending on tire pressure and road conditions...I've yet to see a speedometer read the right speed driving on Oregon's notoriously rutted freeways in the rain (probably because you're forced to hydroplane along the lane, which is why the locals *will* get aggressive towards tailgaters, though the Californians usually don't get it until they slam into a wall or the car ahead of them approaching slower traffic hiding in the road spray of the vehicle ahead because they're following too close). People have fought a speeding ticket on this basis and have won. That's part of the reason why Pa. gives some leeway. Most cops don't want to have to appear in traffic court when the chances are good the case could get thrown out. However, it's a lot harder to make a case for speedometer inaccuracies when you're 10 MPH or more over. I used to have to deal with police a lot when I was a security officer, and at one site, the worksite's driveway was a common spot for police to set up speed traps. The cops don't even bother radar cars until they see someone moving considerably faster than surrounding traffic, radar the overspeed vehicle for evidence, and just use the posted speed as something to estimate a fine from. They seem to radar everyone in areas where there are actual speed limits when I see a speed trap in a limit zone. Though I never see anybody pulled over, everybody just slows down for the speed limit and then drops the hammer down when it goes back to a posted speed a few miles down the road. I drive 100 km/h on the freeway even if the posted speed is considerably lower if the conditions allow, and the cops working the speed trips don't even look twice and keep looking for someone *really* speeding. Only time I drive slower than 100 km/h on the freeway is in Salem where there *is* a speed limit of 60 MPH (about 90 or so km/h), and on I-5, I-405 and US-30 in downtown Portland, which has a posted speed of 50 but is usually insane to try for more than 40, and the worst traffic accident in Oregon history was caused by some ****head Californian who drove his bigrig at 60 MPH into 14 cars stopped in a traffic jam on I-405 while talking on a cellphone and trying to pick up a CD off the floorpan. That Californian won't be going back to California anytime soon, he's a prisoner in Salem now for his criminally stupid behavior. -- Paul Johnson http://ursine.ca/~baloo/ |
On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 14:29:17 -0800, Paul Johnson wrote:
Vinnie S. wrote: No they don't. The speed limits signs or laws do not say 55 or 65, +/- 10%. That is nothing more than the descretion of the cop that tickets you. Go read ORS chapter 810 sometime. It's up on leg.state.or.us. It does work that way in Oregon. And as said before, save for a few miles of interstate or a few well-travelled blocks of narrow secondary streets, Oregon has never had speed limits. Posted speeds, yes, in which you're allowed to drive faster if conditions warrant (on a clear, sunny day with dry pavement and light traffic with a posted speed of 70, a cop pulling you over for doing 85 will have a hard time getting a conviction in court unless it was a LIMIT 70 and not a SPEED 70 sign and the cops know this). Oregon and Washington both give 10% margins for differences in speedometer calibration because very rarely are speedometers spot on. You could easily be doing 59 with your speedometer reading 55. The speedometer in my 1995.5 Kia Sportage reads 62 when it's doing 60, my roommate's 2000 Ford Ranger reads 57 at 60 MPH. If you got a ticket for doing 1 MPH over the speed limit, and you didn't fight it in court, you're a moron, here's your sign. Paul, I don't know about Oregon, but I know NJ. I have never heard of such a thing. And I have been to traffic court on at least 3 occasions. On one occasion, some motorist used the calibration defense. They about laughed him out of the court, and said they would bring in the cop with the certs. He ended up pleaing to a lower moving violation qwith no points. Believe it or not, they actually plea bargain here for traffic court. They want the dollar amount fine, and ill lower the violation so it doesn't kill you for insurance. As far as my personal experience, I was given a ticket around 1991 for 59 in a 55. I pleaded guilty to a reduce "driving too slow", which carried the same fine, but no points. The other carried 2 points. So you manual is of no use to me or motorists in NJ. And the only reason I fought 3 tickets, was because I was told you can get the points knocked down in court. The officers will actually tell you that. But if you just pay it, you get the points. I did go to trial one of those 3 times (bargained the other 2), and beat a ticket for rolling stop. A cop was at a stop trap where many motorists were rolling thru it. He gave about 150 tickets over a course of a weekend. I fought mine, because he missed my stop. He had 2 motorists pulled over and was on foot getting their documents, and he looked at the corner, I had already stopped and was moving, and he waved me over. I was nonetheless not cooperative. The DA wanted to bargain that too, but the fine was like $180. I said i was going to fight it, and he basically laughed. He said it was a sure fire loss. At the trial, which was about 20 minutes long, the officer needed to look at the ticket to read what car I was driving. And he said he pulled me over with his car after rolling thru a stop. I got him on him not remembering my carwithout reading the ticket, and that he was on foot with 2 other vehicles, and did not pull me over with his car. The judge ruled in my favor, but he didn't rule on it that night, to give me the satifaction in court. Instead, he sent his not guilty decision by mail, 2 days later. I never did go back to the prosecutor and show him the letter. So like I said, It's mostly at the descretion of the cop. And FYI, you can be going 56 in a 55, and if he wants to stop you and say you were doing 75 in a 55, even though you did 56, there isn't a damn thing you can do about it. Vinnie S. |
Vinnie S. wrote:
So like I said, It's mostly at the descretion of the cop. And FYI, you can be going 56 in a 55, and if he wants to stop you and say you were doing 75 in a 55, even though you did 56, there isn't a damn thing you can do about it. Sure there is. Challenge him in court using his radar gun as evidence against him. If it recorded 56 and he's claiming 75, any of the following could happen in Oregon: Charges dismissed on the 10% rule, charges dismissed because the speed was reasonable for the conditions and the speed was simply a posted advised speed and not a limit (universal speed rule), or charges dismissed on the grounds of false testimony on the part of the police officer (pretty much gauranteed to end his law enforcement career, he'd have a *damn* hard time getting a job even as a rent-a-cop with that on his record). Your best defense is to learn the local law and obey it. Oregon tends to be pretty lax because 1) you can go hundreds of miles without encountering anything to hit, and 2) almost all traffic tickets handed out are to Californians, who don't have to pass a test to get a license[1]. [1] If you don't know the answer on the test, you can ask the clerk and get as many right answers as you need just for the asking, and I can't recall ever seeing anybody taking a driving test at the CA DMVs. I never bothered driving in California when I got stuck moving down there for a few years, it's not hard to get a ride down there if you can get the nerve up with riding with an essentially unlicensed driver. -- Paul Johnson http://ursine.ca/~baloo/ |
On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 20:37:48 -0800, Paul Johnson wrote:
Vinnie S. wrote: So like I said, It's mostly at the descretion of the cop. And FYI, you can be going 56 in a 55, and if he wants to stop you and say you were doing 75 in a 55, even though you did 56, there isn't a damn thing you can do about it. Sure there is. Challenge him in court using his radar gun as evidence against him. If it recorded 56 and he's claiming 75, any of the following could happen in Oregon: As far as I know, there is no printed history of a radar reading. Granted 99.9% of the time, they will write yoy up for what you sped at. But I don't think there is a shred of evidence you can use. Not even eyewitnesses. Charges dismissed on the 10% rule, charges dismissed because the speed was reasonable for the conditions and the speed was simply a posted advised speed and not a limit (universal speed rule), or charges dismissed on the grounds of false testimony on the part of the police officer (pretty much gauranteed to end his law enforcement career, he'd have a *damn* hard time getting a job even as a rent-a-cop with that on his record). Your best defense is to learn the local law and obey it. Oregon tends to be pretty lax because 1) you can go hundreds of miles without encountering anything to hit, and 2) almost all traffic tickets handed out are to Californians, who don't have to pass a test to get a license[1]. Again, here in NJ, it is a revenue generating system. Like I said, they just want their fined, and not put you in your insurance poor house. The officers have told me to challenge, because they reduce it to no points. [1] If you don't know the answer on the test, you can ask the clerk and get as many right answers as you need just for the asking, and I can't recall ever seeing anybody taking a driving test at the CA DMVs. I never bothered driving in California when I got stuck moving down there for a few years, it's not hard to get a ride down there if you can get the nerve up with riding with an essentially unlicensed driver. I can tell you this. Aside from full serve gas, NJ and Oregon are worlds apart. Vinnie S. |
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