"KØHB" wrote in message
k.net...

I already made MY case. My documentation stands unless YOU can post
countervailing documentation to make YOUR case.



Now calm down Hans, before you have a hissy fit. Put on your
uniform, pin on some medals, and go down to the Legion Hall
and spin a few war yarns.

Frank Gilliland wrote:
On 17 Nov 2005 14:41:05 -0800, "Major Dud" wrote in
.com:

snip
Steve, K4YZ

As for you, Dud -- you have finally proven without any doubt that your
'career' as a Marine is one big lie.

Nope.

Just remember this: You reap what you sow.

Uh huh...Take your own counsel, you cowardly liar.

Now go away before I expose even more of your disgraceful bull####.

You ARE the "disgraceful bull#### ", Frankie.

You've "exposed" nothing. (Nothing of MINE, that is...)

You've guessed, lied, manufactured, and otherwise proactively
deceived others in order to salve your ego and to somehow "revenge"
yourself for YOUR failed USMC "career".

YOU are the one exposed, you little troll.

Like I said before...Too bad you weren't half the Marine in real
life that you perceive yourself today...You might have really been
something...

Putz.

Steve, K4YZ

K4YZ wrote:
wrote:
Frank Gilliland wrote:
On 16 Nov 2005 07:02:10 -0800, wrote in
.com:
snip
he would be required to own them in the Army

Having never served in the Army, I never had that problem.

The two sets of dress blues I owned while in the Marine Corps were
issued to me, free of charge. A "perk" of assigned duties.

More bull#### from Major Dud [sigh]. Uniforms in the Corps are never
issued "free of charge", assigned duties or not.

My emphasis follows:

"UNIFORMS IN THE CORPS ARE NEVER ISSUED "FREE OF CHARGE", ASSIGNED
DUTIES OR NOT"...Frank Gilliland

Let's find out.

You find out.

It might be possible that Steve was assigned to guard the Tomb of the
Unknown Soldier. They probably make a special allowance for uniforms
there.

Yoiu can bet they do, Brain, but the Tomb of the Unknowns is not
guarded by Marines.

Here's an idea for The Feeble Five, Brain and Frankie especially:

Pick up your local telephone book. Look under "US Government".
Under "Armed Forces" you'll find a USMC Recruiter. Tell him/her you're
"doing a paper" about uniforms of the Armed Forces.

Read back Frankie's assertion about uniforms NOT being issued
"...'free of charge', assigned duties or not..." Ask him/her to
validate that as correct or not.

Ask the Recruiter how much he or she had to pay for his/her Dress
Blues when they were assigned the billet.

Then ask them how much Marines are billed for their first seabag of
uniforms in boot camp. (Remember, Frankie said Marines are NOT issued
UNIFORMS free of charge, assigned duties or not...)

Ask him/her if Marines in Iraq were required to buy the desert
cammies. The same ones they are required to have in-theater along with
all sewn-on name tags, etc. (Remember, Frankie said UNIFORMS...Not any
one type or style...)

Ask him/her if MY assertion about B-Billet assignments (Drill
Instructor, I&I duty, Eighth and I Street/HQMC, Embassy Duty, etc)
rating an issue of dress blues is true or not.

Youse guys up to it?

Or how about a letter addressed directly to HQMC? Surely you can
take the above suggestions and pare them into a letter that sounds as
if you're conducting some sort of research. Better yet, I think I'll
do that part. Then we can compare notes.

Brain...at this point you can just ease out if you want to and
I'll let you call it "even"...Like I said, it's not wise taking
"counsel" about USMC policy from a one-tour, twice court martialed,
self-proclaimed " ####bird PFC " idiot.

I understand you that were caught up in the heat of the moment,
but I don't believe that even you're so foolish as to continue the
"argument" in the face of reliable, third party corroboration of my
"claims".

I wonder how Frankie will slither out from under THIS rock!

Steve, K4YZ

PS: If you're REALLY adventurous, you might even ask about the
"civilian" business suits/sports blazers issued to Marines in some
Embassies and/or other sensitive assignments as an "alternative
uniform". I am willing to bet Dave saw one or two of these guys/gals
over the years!

In AF basic training, I was issued a full complement of uniforms, many
of them uniforms that were about to be phased out. On my one year
anniversary, I began receiving a clothing maintenance allowance that
didn't begin to cover the cost of uniforms that "went out" that first
year. The mess dress uniform was never an issue item, and the service
dress was always appropriate to wear at formal functions.

The AF Reserves attend basic training same place I went. They were
issued a full complement of uniforms as well. After training, when a
uniform item becomes "unserviceable" due to wear and tear or being
phased out, the unserviceable item is brought to clothing issued and
replaced at no cost. That includes shoes and boots. It did not
include optional items such as wrinkle free(polyester) slacks, Corfam
dress shoes, etc.

I said that it was possible that there are situations where new
uniforms are given, guarding the Tomb of the Unknown could be an
example where uniforms are kept beyond merely "serviceable."

USN wear uniforms. USNR wear uniforms. USMC wear uniforms. USMCR
wear uniforms. USA wear uniforms. USAR wear uniforms. USAF wear
uniforms. USAFR wear uniforms. CAP wear uniforms. Tennessee
Militia/Guard wear uniforms.

That you did not guard the Tomb is your problem. Given as many
services uniforms you managed to wiggle into over the years, guessing
what service's uniform you may be wearing on any given day of the week
is not my problem, either.

You do your own homework, phone calling, and letter writing campaign.

KØHB wrote:
"K4YZ" wrote in message
ups.com...

Then ask them how much Marines are billed for their first seabag of
uniforms in boot camp. (Remember, Frankie said Marines are NOT issued
UNIFORMS free of charge, assigned duties or not...)

My copy of MCO P10120.28G (Individual Clothing Regulations) dated 08 Jul 05
says:

Steve was in the USMC on 08 JUL 05?

From: Frank Gilliland on Nov 17, 6:38 am

On 17 Nov 2005 04:48:12 -0800, "K4YZ" wrote in


Brain...at this point you can just ease out if you want to and
I'll let you call it "even"...Like I said, it's not wise taking
"counsel" about USMC policy from a one-tour, twice court martialed,
self-proclaimed " ####bird PFC " idiot.

You weren't even in the Corps. Shut the **** up.

Told ya, Frank... :-)


I have never had to hide under any rock. But you do because you don't
even have a DD-214. Be careful, Dud -- there may be a rock headed your
way.

Dud NEVER got that DD-214. He can't show what he doesn't have.

In Dudly's wildly irrational mind, that probably is taken as
"proof" that he "really did those things." :-(

Frankie of Silliland wrote:
On 17 Nov 2005 04:48:12 -0800, "K4YZ" wrote in
. com:

Read back Frankie's assertion about uniforms NOT being issued
"...'free of charge', assigned duties or not..." Ask him/her to
validate that as correct or not.

I agree. Anyone who wants to know the truth should do just as you
suggest.

Ask the Recruiter how much he or she had to pay for his/her Dress
Blues when they were assigned the billet.

They pay the same price as any other Marine.

Under the circumstances I cited before? You're right.

They pay NOTHING. Not one thin dime.

Then ask them how much Marines are billed for their first seabag of
uniforms in boot camp. (Remember, Frankie said Marines are NOT issued
UNIFORMS free of charge, assigned duties or not...)

Judas Holy Roller Priest..... you didn't even go through boot camp!!!!
The very first day (when you are standing on the yellow footprints)
you are given a book of chits that are used to buy everything you
need, including your uniforms. The money that is spent from that book
of chits is deducted from your paycheck. My "chit book" started at
about $210, and there was about $30 left that was added to my check
when I left San Diego.

Not one dime was deducted from my pay for ANY uniform issue,
Frankie.

Not one dime.

And those "chits" you refer to were used for PERSONAL items such
as shaving cream, razors, deodorant (which you obvioulsy squandered)
writing paper, etc. No "pay" was issued until you graduated boot camp.
THAT was the money deducted from your pay, Silliboy.

NOT "uniform issues".

####, you weren't even a reservist. You are a complete Dud.

No, YOU are the dud, Frankie.

Ask him/her if Marines in Iraq were required to buy the desert
cammies.

Absolutely.

The same ones they are required to have in-theater along with
all sewn-on name tags, etc.

Yep. Still got mine with my name stamped on the back and a target
(flag) sewn on the sleeve from when I was on float with the 24th MAU.

(Remember, Frankie said UNIFORMS...Not any
one type or style...)

Yep. Cammies, alphas, charlies, dress blues..... you gotta pay for all
of them.

Nope. Not a dime...Oh, I guess we could reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeally
stretch things and say that by virtue of my income taxes and that
portion appropriated to the defense budget, I "bought" my uniforms.
But then so did every other taxpayer in the United States, whether they
served in the Armed Forces or not.

Ask him/her if MY assertion about B-Billet assignments (Drill
Instructor, I&I duty, Eighth and I Street/HQMC, Embassy Duty, etc)
rating an issue of dress blues is true or not.

Ask away. Even ask the dudes at the rifle range if they have to buy
their own pith helmets -- they do.

Only if they want to keep one as a momento.

Otherwise they are issued: "organizational equipment" And that
"organizational equipment" has to be returned.

Youse guys up to it?

I hope so.

Obvioulsy not.

Or how about a letter addressed directly to HQMC? Surely you can
take the above suggestions and pare them into a letter that sounds as
if you're conducting some sort of research. Better yet, I think I'll
do that part. Then we can compare notes.

As long as you include headers. Doesn't matter tho, you won't be
posting your reply because it will conflict with your "truth".

Oh, there'll be no "headers", Frankie. This one can go by parcel
post with a real human being's signature on it. Any fifth grader with a
bit of "computer smarts" could dummy-up a fake e mail.

Brain...at this point you can just ease out if you want to and
I'll let you call it "even"...Like I said, it's not wise taking
"counsel" about USMC policy from a one-tour, twice court martialed,
self-proclaimed " ####bird PFC " idiot.

You weren't even in the Corps. Shut the #### up.

Well, THERE WE HAVE IT!

Frankie's finally got to the "just mow 'em over with profanity"
mode.

Sorry, PFC! You have been busted at your own game over and over
for the past few weeks.

This time with blood drawn. And the blood was yours.

I understand you that were caught up in the heat of the moment,
but I don't believe that even you're so foolish as to continue the
"argument" in the face of reliable, third party corroboration of my
"claims".

I wonder how Frankie will slither out from under THIS rock!

Steve "was an Active Duty SNCO-Marine" Robeson, K4YZ

I have never had to hide under any rock. But you do because you don't
even have a DD-214. Be careful, Dud -- there may be a rock headed your
way.

Uh huh...riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

So..we have your loss of patience in the form of profanity and now
a not-so-thinly-veilied threat of physical violence.

It took some patience of my own, but we've brought Frankie of
Silliland's ultimate silliness into the FULL light of day!

PS: If you're REALLY adventurous, you might even ask about the
"civilian" business suits/sports blazers issued to Marines in some
Embassies and/or other sensitive assignments as an "alternative
uniform". I am willing to bet Dave saw one or two of these guys/gals
over the years!

We can talk about embassy duty too, Dud. I spent quite a bit of time
at the US/UK embassy in Beirut. Wanna go there?

Why? Is that where your FIRST court martial occured?

Putz.

Steve, K4YZ

wrote:
From: Frank Gilliland on Nov 17, 6:38 am

On 17 Nov 2005 04:48:12 -0800, "K4YZ" wrote in


Brain...at this point you can just ease out if you want to and
I'll let you call it "even"...Like I said, it's not wise taking
"counsel" about USMC policy from a one-tour, twice court martialed,
self-proclaimed " ####bird PFC " idiot.

You weren't even in the Corps. Shut the #### up.

Told ya, Frank...

So we have the source of Frankie's introduction to RRAP!

I thought so!

I have never had to hide under any rock. But you do because you don't
even have a DD-214. Be careful, Dud -- there may be a rock headed your
way.

Dud NEVER got that DD-214. He can't show what he doesn't have.

I have a DD-214. Mine says "Honorable" on it...Not "Less than
Honorable", "General" or any other release other than "Honorable". No
charges, lost time, or any form of judicial proceedings against me.
Honorable.

In Dudly's wildly irrational mind, that probably is taken as
"proof" that he "really did those things."

What's "proof" is the refusal of the Feeble Five to follow-up on
the references provided.

Some call it "cowardly".

I do.

Putz.

Steve, K4YZ

K4YZ wrote:
Frank Gilliland wrote:

On 17 Nov 2005 14:41:05 -0800, "Major Dud" wrote in
ps.com:

snip

Steve, K4YZ

As for you, Dud -- you have finally proven without any doubt that your
'career' as a Marine is one big lie.


Nope.


Just remember this: You reap what you sow.


Uh huh...Take your own counsel, you cowardly liar.


Now go away before I expose even more of your disgraceful bull####.


You ARE the "disgraceful bull#### ", Frankie.

You've "exposed" nothing. (Nothing of MINE, that is...)

You've guessed, lied, manufactured, and otherwise proactively
deceived others in order to salve your ego and to somehow "revenge"
yourself for YOUR failed USMC "career".

YOU are the one exposed, you little troll.

Like I said before...Too bad you weren't half the Marine in real
life that you perceive yourself today...You might have really been
something...

Putz.

Steve, K4YZ

Hey Steve, could you please stop xposting your flame wars with Frank and
keep it in the amateur ng? 73, Jim.

CQ BLOW-JOB, CQ BLOW-JOB, CQ BLOW-JOB

THIS IS K4YZ.......K4YZ PULLING MY PUD SUCKING BY!!!!!!!!
K4YZ wrote:
wrote:
Frank Gilliland wrote:
On 16 Nov 2005 07:02:10 -0800, wrote in
.com:
snip
he would be required to own them in the Army

Having never served in the Army, I never had that problem.

The two sets of dress blues I owned while in the Marine Corps were
issued to me, free of charge. A "perk" of assigned duties.

More bull#### from Major Dud [sigh]. Uniforms in the Corps are never
issued "free of charge", assigned duties or not.

My emphasis follows:

"UNIFORMS IN THE CORPS ARE NEVER ISSUED "FREE OF CHARGE", ASSIGNED
DUTIES OR NOT"...Frank Gilliland

Let's find out.

It might be possible that Steve was assigned to guard the Tomb of the
Unknown Soldier. They probably make a special allowance for uniforms
there.

Yoiu can bet they do, Brain, but the Tomb of the Unknowns is not
guarded by Marines.

Here's an idea for The Feeble Five, Brain and Frankie especially:

Pick up your local telephone book. Look under "US Government".
Under "Armed Forces" you'll find a USMC Recruiter. Tell him/her you're
"doing a paper" about uniforms of the Armed Forces.

Read back Frankie's assertion about uniforms NOT being issued
"...'free of charge', assigned duties or not..." Ask him/her to
validate that as correct or not.

Ask the Recruiter how much he or she had to pay for his/her Dress
Blues when they were assigned the billet.

Then ask them how much Marines are billed for their first seabag of
uniforms in boot camp. (Remember, Frankie said Marines are NOT issued
UNIFORMS free of charge, assigned duties or not...)

Ask him/her if Marines in Iraq were required to buy the desert
cammies. The same ones they are required to have in-theater along with
all sewn-on name tags, etc. (Remember, Frankie said UNIFORMS...Not any
one type or style...)

Ask him/her if MY assertion about B-Billet assignments (Drill
Instructor, I&I duty, Eighth and I Street/HQMC, Embassy Duty, etc)
rating an issue of dress blues is true or not.

Youse guys up to it?

Or how about a letter addressed directly to HQMC? Surely you can
take the above suggestions and pare them into a letter that sounds as
if you're conducting some sort of research. Better yet, I think I'll
do that part. Then we can compare notes.

Brain...at this point you can just ease out if you want to and
I'll let you call it "even"...Like I said, it's not wise taking
"counsel" about USMC policy from a one-tour, twice court martialed,
self-proclaimed " ####bird PFC " idiot.

I understand you that were caught up in the heat of the moment,
but I don't believe that even you're so foolish as to continue the
"argument" in the face of reliable, third party corroboration of my
"claims".

I wonder how Frankie will slither out from under THIS rock!

Steve, K4YZ

PS: If you're REALLY adventurous, you might even ask about the
"civilian" business suits/sports blazers issued to Marines in some
Embassies and/or other sensitive assignments as an "alternative
uniform". I am willing to bet Dave saw one or two of these guys/gals
over the years!

OK JIM........I'M GONE FOR NOW . YOU'RE SUCH A NICE GUY,I'M GONE.
jim wrote:
K4YZ wrote:
Frank Gilliland wrote:

On 17 Nov 2005 14:41:05 -0800, "Major Dud" wrote in
ps.com:

snip

Steve, K4YZ

As for you, Dud -- you have finally proven without any doubt that your
'career' as a Marine is one big lie.


Nope.


Just remember this: You reap what you sow.


Uh huh...Take your own counsel, you cowardly liar.


Now go away before I expose even more of your disgraceful bull####.


You ARE the "disgraceful bull#### ", Frankie.

You've "exposed" nothing. (Nothing of MINE, that is...)

You've guessed, lied, manufactured, and otherwise proactively
deceived others in order to salve your ego and to somehow "revenge"
yourself for YOUR failed USMC "career".

YOU are the one exposed, you little troll.

Like I said before...Too bad you weren't half the Marine in real
life that you perceive yourself today...You might have really been
something...

Putz.

Steve, K4YZ

Hey Steve, could you please stop xposting your flame wars with Frank and
keep it in the amateur ng? 73, Jim.