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Paul Vanasse November 27th 03 12:14 PM


"Clif Holland" wrote in message
...
The problem is to get the 10-20w out of the radio you may have to shove

100w
into the filter, and that's what hurts. You need to monitor the current
drawn to determine if there is a possibility of damage.


Give this man a cigar because he's today's exclusive winner on 21!

The problem is that most modern hams today don't have a clue about what
you're talking about because most modern hams don't understand the theory
behind bandpass filtration, especially in their own Riceboxes. They actually
believe the radios will go from DC to Daylight once opened.

I believe this is the reason why Yaesu, Kenwood, and Icom haven't publicly
released the mods to these radios (other than to MARS/CAP members) because
these companies know damn well that they'll be performing a slue of warranty
repairs on the lot because some jack ass will actually try to use his radio
on the commercial AM broadcast band.



Bob Miller November 27th 03 02:36 PM

On Thu, 27 Nov 2003 07:14:37 -0500, "Paul Vanasse"
wrote:


I believe this is the reason why Yaesu, Kenwood, and Icom haven't publicly
released the mods to these radios (other than to MARS/CAP members) because
these companies know damn well that they'll be performing a slue of warranty
repairs on the lot because some jack ass will actually try to use his radio
on the commercial AM broadcast band.


So far, Ten Tec is the only one, I know of, offering specifics on
getting on 60 meters. For their rigs, it's a simple software download.

Bob
k5qwg



Bob Miller November 27th 03 02:36 PM

On Thu, 27 Nov 2003 07:14:37 -0500, "Paul Vanasse"
wrote:


I believe this is the reason why Yaesu, Kenwood, and Icom haven't publicly
released the mods to these radios (other than to MARS/CAP members) because
these companies know damn well that they'll be performing a slue of warranty
repairs on the lot because some jack ass will actually try to use his radio
on the commercial AM broadcast band.


So far, Ten Tec is the only one, I know of, offering specifics on
getting on 60 meters. For their rigs, it's a simple software download.

Bob
k5qwg



Dave November 27th 03 05:31 PM

"Paul Vanasse" wrote in
news:VUlxb.6898$LV1.6847@okepread05:


"Clif Holland" wrote in message
...
The problem is to get the 10-20w out of the radio you may have to
shove

100w
into the filter, and that's what hurts. You need to monitor the
current drawn to determine if there is a possibility of damage.

Though I can't speak for the 746Pro I can firmly state that the BP filter
for the 746 DOES cover the 60 meter segment. It is spec'd for 4.0 to 8.0
MHz. Measurements in the lab showed no difference between the current
draw vs output power between 40 and 60 Meters. Assuming your antenna
presents a good match, you should be confident that the 746 will perform
just fine and within specs when modified for 60 meter operation.

73
Dave

Give this man a cigar because he's today's exclusive winner on 21!

The problem is that most modern hams today don't have a clue about
what you're talking about because most modern hams don't understand
the theory behind bandpass filtration, especially in their own
Riceboxes. They actually believe the radios will go from DC to
Daylight once opened.

I believe this is the reason why Yaesu, Kenwood, and Icom haven't
publicly released the mods to these radios (other than to MARS/CAP
members) because these companies know damn well that they'll be
performing a slue of warranty repairs on the lot because some jack ass
will actually try to use his radio on the commercial AM broadcast
band.





Dave November 27th 03 05:31 PM

"Paul Vanasse" wrote in
news:VUlxb.6898$LV1.6847@okepread05:


"Clif Holland" wrote in message
...
The problem is to get the 10-20w out of the radio you may have to
shove

100w
into the filter, and that's what hurts. You need to monitor the
current drawn to determine if there is a possibility of damage.

Though I can't speak for the 746Pro I can firmly state that the BP filter
for the 746 DOES cover the 60 meter segment. It is spec'd for 4.0 to 8.0
MHz. Measurements in the lab showed no difference between the current
draw vs output power between 40 and 60 Meters. Assuming your antenna
presents a good match, you should be confident that the 746 will perform
just fine and within specs when modified for 60 meter operation.

73
Dave

Give this man a cigar because he's today's exclusive winner on 21!

The problem is that most modern hams today don't have a clue about
what you're talking about because most modern hams don't understand
the theory behind bandpass filtration, especially in their own
Riceboxes. They actually believe the radios will go from DC to
Daylight once opened.

I believe this is the reason why Yaesu, Kenwood, and Icom haven't
publicly released the mods to these radios (other than to MARS/CAP
members) because these companies know damn well that they'll be
performing a slue of warranty repairs on the lot because some jack ass
will actually try to use his radio on the commercial AM broadcast
band.





Ed G. November 30th 03 02:18 AM



The problem is to get the 10-20w out of the radio you may have to
shove 100w into the filter, and that's what hurts. You need to
monitor the current drawn to determine if there is a possibility of
damage.



If you are having the above problem, then there's something wrong with
you radio. My 746Pro puts out nearly full power on 60M, as it does on
all other bands with absolutely NO change in current draw. If the default
40M filter was attenuating the 60M signal that much it would sure show up
on the watt meter!


Ed WB6SAT



Ed G. November 30th 03 02:18 AM



The problem is to get the 10-20w out of the radio you may have to
shove 100w into the filter, and that's what hurts. You need to
monitor the current drawn to determine if there is a possibility of
damage.



If you are having the above problem, then there's something wrong with
you radio. My 746Pro puts out nearly full power on 60M, as it does on
all other bands with absolutely NO change in current draw. If the default
40M filter was attenuating the 60M signal that much it would sure show up
on the watt meter!


Ed WB6SAT



Gary Poland December 7th 03 05:06 PM

Anyone that understands the operation of solid state PA sections with band
pass filtering for each band would not risk using the rig out of band. It
may not of hurt anything yet but why risk it. In time it will catch up to
you. The filters are designed to present a safe matched impedeance to the PA
for a specific frequency range and attentuate any spurs. Icom says no...what
about "dont do it " dont you understand?

Gary



Gary Poland December 7th 03 05:06 PM

Anyone that understands the operation of solid state PA sections with band
pass filtering for each band would not risk using the rig out of band. It
may not of hurt anything yet but why risk it. In time it will catch up to
you. The filters are designed to present a safe matched impedeance to the PA
for a specific frequency range and attentuate any spurs. Icom says no...what
about "dont do it " dont you understand?

Gary



CQ 60m December 7th 03 10:57 PM

On Sun, 07 Dec 2003 17:06:15 GMT, "Gary Poland" wrote:

Anyone that understands the operation of solid state PA sections with band
pass filtering for each band would not risk using the rig out of band. It
may not of hurt anything yet but why risk it. In time it will catch up to
you. The filters are designed to present a safe matched impedeance to the PA
for a specific frequency range and attentuate any spurs. Icom says no...what
about "dont do it " dont you understand?

Gary


Probably the same part that hundreds of others of us
"don't understand", who are enjoying our IC746 rigs
every day on 60m ya numbskull!



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