On Sun, 27 Jul 2003 10:36:26 -0600, JJ wrote:

It does not mean that
the FCC has to abolish a code test. So like Phil says, nothing has
changed yet.

Phil is not unbiased in this since he is part of the ARRL legal goons that
want to ram morse code down the throats of Americans so they can pick a
microphone to talk on HF. Read 97.301(e) it depends on the International
requirement for morse code proficiency. The requirement for morse code
proficiency is GONE.

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Dick Carroll; wrote:


Well JJ, there you have it! He holds an Extra class license, almost surely of the
Lite category, and thus is a prime example of the New Age
codehating hams. If I had a case on the table I now rest it.

This guy makes me think you have a valid point Dick.

On Mon, 28 Jul 2003 00:29:23 GMT, "Carl R. Stevenson" wrote:

That's ridiculous ... the NEW ITU Radio Regs simply give administrations
the CHOICE as to whether or not to have a Morse test as a requirement
for licenses that convey privs below 30 MHz ... they do NOT preclude
any administration from having it either way ... it's their choice.

The regulation was not "rescinded" on July 5, 2003, it was simply
MODIFIED.

And 97.301(e) is dependent on a international requirement for morse code
proficiency. There is no longer a international requirement for proficiency to
send and receive morse code.
The s25.5 regulation says that it is left up to the administration. . The FCC
rules do not require a morse code proficiency unless the international
proficiency is required. So the FCC has already written the rules.
Now the ARRL thought their stupid trick to leave it to the administration
would help keep more Americans from enjoy the ham radio hobby, but they screwed
up in my opinion.




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On Sun, 27 Jul 2003 21:13:14 -0400, "Bill Sohl"
wrote:

And before July, there was no specific "code speed"
international requirement...yet that didn't allow techs who
could do 2 wpm morse on HF...the FCC mandated 5 wpm
even though the ITU had no speed minimum.

That was only for the test, it has nothing to do with 97.301(e)

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On Mon, 28 Jul 2003 00:52:54 GMT, "Phil Kane"
wrote:

Until the FCC changes the rules concering Element 1, the
requirement in the US remains that Element 1 must be passed.

That is NOT what 97.301(e) says. 97.301(e) does not require a tech to possess
element 1, it requires the tech licensee to meet the international standards
set down in s25.5 to transmit on HF. The reason 97.301(e) was written that way
is because the FCC expected the s25.5 reference to be deleted, but it was
changed. The fact that it was changed does not mean a tech licensee is not
meeting the requirements set down in 97.301(e).
It doesn't mean a tech can get on 20 meters, it should mean he can operate on
HF in the allocated tech bands according to the FCC rules.




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On Sun, 27 Jul 2003 16:47:46 GMT, "Carl R. Stevenson" wrote:

And YES, the FCC *does* have records of which Techs have HF privs, so the
writer above is totally wrong.


The FCC does not have information on techs who pass element 1. PERIOD. Only if
they upgrade to general or extra.



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Keith wrote:
On Sun, 27 Jul 2003 10:36:26 -0600, JJ wrote:


It does not mean that
the FCC has to abolish a code test. So like Phil says, nothing has
changed yet.


Phil is not unbiased in this since he is part of the ARRL legal goons that
want to ram morse code down the throats of Americans so they can pick a
microphone to talk on HF. Read 97.301(e) it depends on the International
requirement for morse code proficiency. The requirement for morse code
proficiency is GONE.


HAR! You'll just toss out every expert opinion until you get one you like.

- Mike KB3EIA -

"Keith" wrote in message
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On Sun, 27 Jul 2003 10:36:26 -0600, JJ wrote:

It does not mean that
the FCC has to abolish a code test. So like Phil says, nothing has
changed yet.

Phil is not unbiased in this since he is part of the ARRL legal goons
that
want to ram morse code down the throats of Americans so they can pick a
microphone to talk on HF. Read 97.301(e) it depends on the International
requirement for morse code proficiency. The requirement for morse code
proficiency is GONE.

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BUT UNTIL THE AMERICAN LAWS are rewritten, changed, updated (pick your
term), the CW requirement STILL exists in our Radio Laws.
You can NOT sidestep laws that exist. A law may be come effective in one
sense but when it affects so many countries, it takes time in the
administrative governments to trickle down. As I understand it, there are
yet, a few countries who will refuse to abide by the International Treaty's
standards to the letter.
The International Union decided to drop CW as a requirement, that does NOT
mean WE have to. IF the other countries are not so willing to go with it
either, then perhaps the FCC won't be so quick to jump either.

Get off your lazy ass and learn 5 WPM CW. It is not any harder than learning
to drive a car or program a computer. IF it is worth it to you to use 10
meters or any other band, then get your act together and make it a mission
to actually LEARN something. "I" am NOT one of the biased ARRL people, I
don't and won't belong to the ARRL. So my opinion is based purely on KNOWING
that is doesn't take a hell of a lot of work to LEARN - CW @ 5 WPM.
If the handicapped can do it, ANYONE CAN. If you can't, then you're not
handicapped, you're plain brain dead and lazy.

JMS

On Sat, 26 Jul 2003 18:09:44 -0700, Keith wrote:

Another problem that was pointed out to me are people with disabilities.
According to the American with Disabilities Act the government can not
discriminate against disabled people .
Now that s25.5 is international law the government must now accommodate
disabled people and they must do it without reasonable delay.

You must really enjoy playing wannabe lawyer --- and missing the
target. The issue of code and the ADA was hashed out by the FCC
several years ago. Nothing changed.

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On Sun, 27 Jul 2003 05:02:04 -0700, Keith wrote:

The morse code test for deaf people is pure discrimination and now
that s25.5 no longer requires a proficiency to know and send morse
code the FCC better move fast to remove this discrimination.

How stupid can one be -

s25.5 now lets each Administration decide whether a code test is
required. So far the US Administration (FCC) hasn't said that a
code test is not required.

"better move fast" -- hey, dummy, push the FCC and you will see how
slow "big government" will move. I can guarantee that....

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