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July 9th 03, 12:56 AM
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Small 2M crystal FM design
Hi, I'm looking for a small, 2m FM fixed frequency TX design for a
backup telemetry link on a model craft. I've seen designs based on discontinued Motorolla baby-monitor ICs, but simple varactor/tripler designs seem less common. Weight/size are important, and I'd like output around 1-2W. Duty cycle will be fairly low. There is 4.8V or 12V available already; 4.8V is likely to be noisier, as it drives the servos. 12V is prefered. What I was thinking was ~48 Mhz crystal oscillator with varactor, fed into a tripler, then a bandpass, then into an amplifier (RF transistor?)? I've seen a number oscillator designs floating around (handbook and otherwise), but I don't know how to find out what's most appropriate. Any suggestions, designs I've missed, books to read, etc? Something like the Ramsey FM6 (preraid)? Plan B is to find another HTX-200 or similar, pull out the guts, and use that.  But I'd rather have something I can lay out myself.Thanks, R C KG4MVB |
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July 9th 03, 08:37 AM
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Motorola did a number of one chip FM TX ICs, - they are cheap and widely
available and produce about 50mW output which can be use to drive something like a 2N3866 output stage (I only give that device number as I have one in the junk box!) 73 Marcus M3ChB "R C" wrote in message m... Hi, I'm looking for a small, 2m FM fixed frequency TX design for a backup telemetry link on a model craft. I've seen designs based on discontinued Motorolla baby-monitor ICs, but simple varactor/tripler designs seem less common. Weight/size are important, and I'd like output around 1-2W. Duty cycle will be fairly low. There is 4.8V or 12V available already; 4.8V is likely to be noisier, as it drives the servos. 12V is prefered. What I was thinking was ~48 Mhz crystal oscillator with varactor, fed into a tripler, then a bandpass, then into an amplifier (RF transistor?)? I've seen a number oscillator designs floating around (handbook and otherwise), but I don't know how to find out what's most appropriate. Any suggestions, designs I've missed, books to read, etc? Something like the Ramsey FM6 (preraid)? Plan B is to find another HTX-200 or similar, pull out the guts, and use that. But I'd rather have something I can lay out myself.Thanks, R C KG4MVB |
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July 10th 03, 01:46 AM
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Can anyone provide some part #'s for these one chip FM TX & RX IC's? I'm
interested too. Marcus Sleightholm wrote: Motorola did a number of one chip FM TX ICs, - they are cheap and widely available and produce about 50mW output which can be use to drive something like a 2N3866 output stage (I only give that device number as I have one in the junk box!) 73 Marcus M3ChB "R C" wrote in message m... Hi, I'm looking for a small, 2m FM fixed frequency TX design for a backup telemetry link on a model craft. I've seen designs based on discontinued Motorolla baby-monitor ICs, but simple varactor/tripler designs seem less common. Weight/size are important, and I'd like output around 1-2W. Duty cycle will be fairly low. There is 4.8V or 12V available already; 4.8V is likely to be noisier, as it drives the servos. 12V is prefered. What I was thinking was ~48 Mhz crystal oscillator with varactor, fed into a tripler, then a bandpass, then into an amplifier (RF transistor?)? I've seen a number oscillator designs floating around (handbook and otherwise), but I don't know how to find out what's most appropriate. Any suggestions, designs I've missed, books to read, etc? Something like the Ramsey FM6 (preraid)? Plan B is to find another HTX-200 or similar, pull out the guts, and use that. But I'd rather have something I can lay out myself.Thanks, R C KG4MVB |
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July 10th 03, 06:53 PM
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July 15th 03, 05:28 AM
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Alex ) writes:
Can anyone provide some part #'s for these one chip FM TX & RX IC's? I'm interested too. Those Motorola FM transmitter ICs aren't particularly useful. By the time you add the needed external components, you aren't really saving much. And, for most amateur applications, you'll need some sort of multiplier to get up to frequency, and most will want an amplifier. You might as well start with discrete components, because you can get them easily, you will get the design you want, and you would be saving very little space with the IC. The transmitter ICs are designed for 49MHz operation, yet the cordless phones I've taken apart don't use them, and the 49MHz FM walkie talkies that I've looked at don't use them. Instead, they use discrete components. Doug DeMaw did write about the MC2831 in the March 1990 issue of QST, though it was more an idea article. Looking in old Motorola databooks will also turn up information about the ICs. The receiver ICs are more useful, because they fit in more. Motorola had a few generations of such ICs, starting with one that took 10.7MHz and converted down to 455KHz and you'd get the audio out the other end. There were various part numbers, again look in old Motorola databooks. You do see these quite frquently in older cordless phones. Buying such phones at garage sales has the advantage that you get the 10.7MHz and 455KHz filters and the crystal to convert from the first IF to the second. (Note, some of those phones use these ICs in a single conversion configuration, going from 49MHz down to 455KHz directly.) If you're careful, you could just extract the whole circuit from the phone (and indeed, you get two such circuits, one in the base and one in the remote). I found similar ICs in Radio Shack 49MHz superhet walkie talkies. I've yet to check baby monitors to see if they use the ICs (or indeed if they are even superhet receivers). These are pretty useful because the boards are small, and either a bit of conversion of the front end will put it on a useful frequency, or strip off the front end and add your own. Older cellphones, the bulky kind, will offer up lot so useful parts including some sort of IF strip. I don't think I've found a recognizable IF strip IC number yet. And they too will include the filters and conversion oscillator. Of course, at this point I've pulled in a number of FM two-way receiver boards that have such things, or could even be used without conversion. I've found these at the local hamfest, and they were going for a couple of dollars each. Motorola came out with a second generation of FM receiver ICs, that were double conversion receivers in a package. So you wouldn't need an external front end in front of the IC. I haven't seen these in consumer equipment, and I'm not sure how available they were as parts. They even came out with a third generation of receiver ICs, not really adding much in ways of features or integration, but did have higher frequency performance. There were an article or two in the old COmmunications Quarterly magazine. Michael VE2BVW Marcus Sleightholm wrote: Motorola did a number of one chip FM TX ICs, - they are cheap and widely available and produce about 50mW output which can be use to drive something like a 2N3866 output stage (I only give that device number as I have one in the junk box!) 73 Marcus M3ChB "R C" wrote in message m... Hi, I'm looking for a small, 2m FM fixed frequency TX design for a backup telemetry link on a model craft. I've seen designs based on discontinued Motorolla baby-monitor ICs, but simple varactor/tripler designs seem less common. Weight/size are important, and I'd like output around 1-2W. Duty cycle will be fairly low. There is 4.8V or 12V available already; 4.8V is likely to be noisier, as it drives the servos. 12V is prefered. What I was thinking was ~48 Mhz crystal oscillator with varactor, fed into a tripler, then a bandpass, then into an amplifier (RF transistor?)? I've seen a number oscillator designs floating around (handbook and otherwise), but I don't know how to find out what's most appropriate. Any suggestions, designs I've missed, books to read, etc? Something like the Ramsey FM6 (preraid)? Plan B is to find another HTX-200 or similar, pull out the guts, and use that. But I'd rather have something I can lay out myself.Thanks, R C KG4MVB |
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July 15th 03, 05:28 AM
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Alex ) writes:
Can anyone provide some part #'s for these one chip FM TX & RX IC's? I'm interested too. Those Motorola FM transmitter ICs aren't particularly useful. By the time you add the needed external components, you aren't really saving much. And, for most amateur applications, you'll need some sort of multiplier to get up to frequency, and most will want an amplifier. You might as well start with discrete components, because you can get them easily, you will get the design you want, and you would be saving very little space with the IC. The transmitter ICs are designed for 49MHz operation, yet the cordless phones I've taken apart don't use them, and the 49MHz FM walkie talkies that I've looked at don't use them. Instead, they use discrete components. Doug DeMaw did write about the MC2831 in the March 1990 issue of QST, though it was more an idea article. Looking in old Motorola databooks will also turn up information about the ICs. The receiver ICs are more useful, because they fit in more. Motorola had a few generations of such ICs, starting with one that took 10.7MHz and converted down to 455KHz and you'd get the audio out the other end. There were various part numbers, again look in old Motorola databooks. You do see these quite frquently in older cordless phones. Buying such phones at garage sales has the advantage that you get the 10.7MHz and 455KHz filters and the crystal to convert from the first IF to the second. (Note, some of those phones use these ICs in a single conversion configuration, going from 49MHz down to 455KHz directly.) If you're careful, you could just extract the whole circuit from the phone (and indeed, you get two such circuits, one in the base and one in the remote). I found similar ICs in Radio Shack 49MHz superhet walkie talkies. I've yet to check baby monitors to see if they use the ICs (or indeed if they are even superhet receivers). These are pretty useful because the boards are small, and either a bit of conversion of the front end will put it on a useful frequency, or strip off the front end and add your own. Older cellphones, the bulky kind, will offer up lot so useful parts including some sort of IF strip. I don't think I've found a recognizable IF strip IC number yet. And they too will include the filters and conversion oscillator. Of course, at this point I've pulled in a number of FM two-way receiver boards that have such things, or could even be used without conversion. I've found these at the local hamfest, and they were going for a couple of dollars each. Motorola came out with a second generation of FM receiver ICs, that were double conversion receivers in a package. So you wouldn't need an external front end in front of the IC. I haven't seen these in consumer equipment, and I'm not sure how available they were as parts. They even came out with a third generation of receiver ICs, not really adding much in ways of features or integration, but did have higher frequency performance. There were an article or two in the old COmmunications Quarterly magazine. Michael VE2BVW Marcus Sleightholm wrote: Motorola did a number of one chip FM TX ICs, - they are cheap and widely available and produce about 50mW output which can be use to drive something like a 2N3866 output stage (I only give that device number as I have one in the junk box!) 73 Marcus M3ChB "R C" wrote in message m... Hi, I'm looking for a small, 2m FM fixed frequency TX design for a backup telemetry link on a model craft. I've seen designs based on discontinued Motorolla baby-monitor ICs, but simple varactor/tripler designs seem less common. Weight/size are important, and I'd like output around 1-2W. Duty cycle will be fairly low. There is 4.8V or 12V available already; 4.8V is likely to be noisier, as it drives the servos. 12V is prefered. What I was thinking was ~48 Mhz crystal oscillator with varactor, fed into a tripler, then a bandpass, then into an amplifier (RF transistor?)? I've seen a number oscillator designs floating around (handbook and otherwise), but I don't know how to find out what's most appropriate. Any suggestions, designs I've missed, books to read, etc? Something like the Ramsey FM6 (preraid)? Plan B is to find another HTX-200 or similar, pull out the guts, and use that. But I'd rather have something I can lay out myself.Thanks, R C KG4MVB |
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July 10th 03, 01:46 AM
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Can anyone provide some part #'s for these one chip FM TX & RX IC's? I'm
interested too. Marcus Sleightholm wrote: Motorola did a number of one chip FM TX ICs, - they are cheap and widely available and produce about 50mW output which can be use to drive something like a 2N3866 output stage (I only give that device number as I have one in the junk box!) 73 Marcus M3ChB "R C" wrote in message m... Hi, I'm looking for a small, 2m FM fixed frequency TX design for a backup telemetry link on a model craft. I've seen designs based on discontinued Motorolla baby-monitor ICs, but simple varactor/tripler designs seem less common. Weight/size are important, and I'd like output around 1-2W. Duty cycle will be fairly low. There is 4.8V or 12V available already; 4.8V is likely to be noisier, as it drives the servos. 12V is prefered. What I was thinking was ~48 Mhz crystal oscillator with varactor, fed into a tripler, then a bandpass, then into an amplifier (RF transistor?)? I've seen a number oscillator designs floating around (handbook and otherwise), but I don't know how to find out what's most appropriate. Any suggestions, designs I've missed, books to read, etc? Something like the Ramsey FM6 (preraid)? Plan B is to find another HTX-200 or similar, pull out the guts, and use that. But I'd rather have something I can lay out myself.Thanks, R C KG4MVB |
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July 10th 03, 06:42 PM
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