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Old September 6th 03, 03:24 PM
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And the reason "It ain't gonna happen" is that there are probably
hundreds of people doing the same thing on the same frequency so all you
end up hearing is noise. I have communicated to Great Britain using CW
and 300 milliwatts on 28 MHz, so don't tell me it ain't gonna happen.
By the same token, I can't talk to a buddy 100 miles away on 100 Watts
on 28 MHz since he is in the "skip zone" at 28 MHz.

Scott
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donut wrote:

(Limitedselection) wrote in
:

I wouldn't be worried about thelegal issues if skywave was not an
issue. But unfortunately it looks like with skywave any signal no
matter how small can be heard world-wide.


This is ridiculous. Try talking skip even on a car CB putting out legal
power. It ain't gonna happen.

Beside, the solar cycle is on it's downward spiral, and skip openings on 29
MHz are going to become few and far between and the cycle deepens.

If your local CBer is primarily a "skip" talker, that in itself might take
him out.


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Old September 6th 03, 03:24 PM
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And the reason "It ain't gonna happen" is that there are probably
hundreds of people doing the same thing on the same frequency so all you
end up hearing is noise. I have communicated to Great Britain using CW
and 300 milliwatts on 28 MHz, so don't tell me it ain't gonna happen.
By the same token, I can't talk to a buddy 100 miles away on 100 Watts
on 28 MHz since he is in the "skip zone" at 28 MHz.

Scott
N0EDV

donut wrote:

(Limitedselection) wrote in
:

I wouldn't be worried about thelegal issues if skywave was not an
issue. But unfortunately it looks like with skywave any signal no
matter how small can be heard world-wide.


This is ridiculous. Try talking skip even on a car CB putting out legal
power. It ain't gonna happen.

Beside, the solar cycle is on it's downward spiral, and skip openings on 29
MHz are going to become few and far between and the cycle deepens.

If your local CBer is primarily a "skip" talker, that in itself might take
him out.


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Old September 6th 03, 03:45 PM
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On 6 Sep 2003 07:11:23 GMT, donut wrote:

This is ridiculous. Try talking skip even on a car CB putting out legal
power. It ain't gonna happen.


Yes, but it's a fact that these signals can and do end up thousands of
miles away where they cause enough general noise to interfere with
sensitive communications equipment. Just because you can't "talk skip"
effectively on low power doesn't mean your signals aren't screwing
things up for others around the world.
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Old September 6th 03, 03:45 PM
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On 6 Sep 2003 07:11:23 GMT, donut wrote:

This is ridiculous. Try talking skip even on a car CB putting out legal
power. It ain't gonna happen.


Yes, but it's a fact that these signals can and do end up thousands of
miles away where they cause enough general noise to interfere with
sensitive communications equipment. Just because you can't "talk skip"
effectively on low power doesn't mean your signals aren't screwing
things up for others around the world.
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Old September 6th 03, 03:45 PM
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On Sat, 06 Sep 2003 00:34:59 -1000, Rick Frazier
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[snip]
Several days later, upon discovering a party at the house next door, the same
unnamed person invited himself in and had a conversation with the renter of the
house. It seems that for the first time in months, he had been able to actually
hear his stereo without trash talk emanating from it at odd hours, and was
celebrating, treating (most of) the block to a good size keg of beer. It seems
the CB neighbor had some sort of malfunction of a high power linear amp, and was
threatening to sue the place that sold him the amp because it had failed quite
spectacularly....


:-)
A heartwarming story. Thanks for sharing.
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On Sat, 06 Sep 2003 00:34:59 -1000, Rick Frazier
wrote:

[snip]
Several days later, upon discovering a party at the house next door, the same
unnamed person invited himself in and had a conversation with the renter of the
house. It seems that for the first time in months, he had been able to actually
hear his stereo without trash talk emanating from it at odd hours, and was
celebrating, treating (most of) the block to a good size keg of beer. It seems
the CB neighbor had some sort of malfunction of a high power linear amp, and was
threatening to sue the place that sold him the amp because it had failed quite
spectacularly....


:-)
A heartwarming story. Thanks for sharing.
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Old September 6th 03, 04:33 PM
Bob Lewis \(AA4PB\)
 
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Try talking skip even on a car CB putting out legal
power. It ain't gonna happen.


I'd have to totally disagree with that. It can and does happen all the
time. The low sunspot cycle means it doesn't happen as often but there
are still band openings and skip even at the bottom of the cycle.


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Old September 6th 03, 04:33 PM
Bob Lewis \(AA4PB\)
 
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Try talking skip even on a car CB putting out legal
power. It ain't gonna happen.


I'd have to totally disagree with that. It can and does happen all the
time. The low sunspot cycle means it doesn't happen as often but there
are still band openings and skip even at the bottom of the cycle.


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Old September 6th 03, 04:44 PM
Bob Lewis \(AA4PB\)
 
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A lot of amatuer radio operators and RF engineers are telling me
that such a
device could wreak havoc world-wide


It won't "wreak havoc" world-wide, but it is very likely that it will
be heard on occasions long distances from your location - and it is
illegal. Even if your signal is only heard by your neighbor,
intestinally jamming him is not legal - even if what he is doing is
also not legal. On the technical side, it is just not possible to
generate a signal that will be strong enough to block his on your
property while ensuring that your signal will not leave your property.
It is not technically possible to control signal strengths (especially
given that your talkies will be moving around the property) to the
point that it will block the reception of his signal while letting
your signals through without interference when using the same
frequency.



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Old September 6th 03, 04:44 PM
Bob Lewis \(AA4PB\)
 
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A lot of amatuer radio operators and RF engineers are telling me
that such a
device could wreak havoc world-wide


It won't "wreak havoc" world-wide, but it is very likely that it will
be heard on occasions long distances from your location - and it is
illegal. Even if your signal is only heard by your neighbor,
intestinally jamming him is not legal - even if what he is doing is
also not legal. On the technical side, it is just not possible to
generate a signal that will be strong enough to block his on your
property while ensuring that your signal will not leave your property.
It is not technically possible to control signal strengths (especially
given that your talkies will be moving around the property) to the
point that it will block the reception of his signal while letting
your signals through without interference when using the same
frequency.



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