Chip,
I totally agree with you about the difficulty in handling fine-pitch SMD
parts. It's a sign of the times.

FYI, check out the DDS Daughterboard at www.njqrp.org. This is a DDS
application board kit with on-board clock oscillator (you could run it from
an external oscillator if you wish). There's also a link to a service that
will solder your DDS chip to your bare board for $6 in single quantities.

Joe
W3JDR

"ChipS" wrote in message
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"W3JDR" wrote in message
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Take a look at Analog Devices' line of DDS chips. Pretty much a one-chip
(needs ucontroller to drive it) digital solution to turn your 10MHz
clock
into virtually any frequency below 5 MHz (in theory; below 4MHz in easy
practicality). The AD9834 only consumes 20mw at 3.3 VDC. There are many
other devices in the product line. Many have built-in comparators to
produce
square-wave output.

Joe
W3JDR



Joe, I'd gladly use the Analog Devices DDS chips if they offered them in
something other than a SadoMasochistic Device (SMD) package. It's a darn
shame they can't make a limited run (say 10k) of some of these chips in a
PDIP package for hams and other r.f. experimenters.

If they put the AD9835 in a PDIP and sold it for about $10.00 (the TSSOP
packaged version sells for about $6, I think) , I'd buy a dozen for
various
projects, but in the tiny SMD package they're nothing but useless to me.

I'm new to the newsgroup and am sure that this is not the first gripe
about
SMD's, but I refuse to use them - not because I can't (at least not yet),
but because I don't want to endure the angst.
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Chip
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How high can the 74HC4066 as mixer go?
I need 50Mhz tops.

I still like to know how strong dual gate MOSFET is compared to say diode
ring.

thx

How high can the 74HC4066 as mixer go?
I need 50Mhz tops.

I still like to know how strong dual gate MOSFET is compared to say diode
ring.

thx

"ChipS" wrote in message
...

"W3JDR" wrote in message
...
Take a look at Analog Devices' line of DDS chips. Pretty much a one-chip
(needs ucontroller to drive it) digital solution to turn your 10MHz
clock
into virtually any frequency below 5 MHz (in theory; below 4MHz in easy
practicality). The AD9834 only consumes 20mw at 3.3 VDC. There are many
other devices in the product line. Many have built-in comparators to
produce
square-wave output.

Joe
W3JDR



Joe, I'd gladly use the Analog Devices DDS chips if they offered them in
something other than a SadoMasochistic Device (SMD) package. It's a darn
shame they can't make a limited run (say 10k) of some of these chips in a
PDIP package for hams and other r.f. experimenters.

If they put the AD9835 in a PDIP and sold it for about $10.00 (the TSSOP
packaged version sells for about $6, I think) , I'd buy a dozen for
various
projects, but in the tiny SMD package they're nothing but useless to me.

I'm new to the newsgroup and am sure that this is not the first gripe
about
SMD's, but I refuse to use them - not because I can't (at least not yet),
but because I don't want to endure the angst.
--
Chip
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In the case of RF devices like DDS's and high-performance microprocessors
(you think 1GHz isn't RF?) the surface mount package significantly enhances
performance. I haven't found them to be that bad to work with; you just
need good eyes and a steady hand.


--------------------------------------
Tim Wescott
Wescott Design Services
http://www.wescottdesign.com

"ChipS" wrote in message
...

"W3JDR" wrote in message
...
Take a look at Analog Devices' line of DDS chips. Pretty much a one-chip
(needs ucontroller to drive it) digital solution to turn your 10MHz
clock
into virtually any frequency below 5 MHz (in theory; below 4MHz in easy
practicality). The AD9834 only consumes 20mw at 3.3 VDC. There are many
other devices in the product line. Many have built-in comparators to
produce
square-wave output.

Joe
W3JDR



Joe, I'd gladly use the Analog Devices DDS chips if they offered them in
something other than a SadoMasochistic Device (SMD) package. It's a darn
shame they can't make a limited run (say 10k) of some of these chips in a
PDIP package for hams and other r.f. experimenters.

If they put the AD9835 in a PDIP and sold it for about $10.00 (the TSSOP
packaged version sells for about $6, I think) , I'd buy a dozen for
various
projects, but in the tiny SMD package they're nothing but useless to me.

I'm new to the newsgroup and am sure that this is not the first gripe
about
SMD's, but I refuse to use them - not because I can't (at least not yet),
but because I don't want to endure the angst.
--
Chip
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In the case of RF devices like DDS's and high-performance microprocessors
(you think 1GHz isn't RF?) the surface mount package significantly enhances
performance. I haven't found them to be that bad to work with; you just
need good eyes and a steady hand.


--------------------------------------
Tim Wescott
Wescott Design Services
http://www.wescottdesign.com

"ChipS" wrote in message
...

"W3JDR" wrote in message
...
Take a look at Analog Devices' line of DDS chips. Pretty much a one-chip
(needs ucontroller to drive it) digital solution to turn your 10MHz
clock
into virtually any frequency below 5 MHz (in theory; below 4MHz in easy
practicality). The AD9834 only consumes 20mw at 3.3 VDC. There are many
other devices in the product line. Many have built-in comparators to
produce square-wave output.

While blasts from the past, let me remind you of the CD4059 and the much
faster 74HC/HCT4059. The 74-series parts guarantee operation on inputs as
high as 20 MHz. "typically" as high as 50 MHz. These will divide by any
binary value from 3 to 2^16 or even as high as 21327 with some gaps.

The division ratio is set by 16 external pins plus some configuration pins
(24-pin DIP package).

The rub is that the part is very rare these days. I suppose discontinued.

"ChipS" wrote in message
...

"W3JDR" wrote in message
...
Take a look at Analog Devices' line of DDS chips. Pretty much a one-chip
(needs ucontroller to drive it) digital solution to turn your 10MHz
clock
into virtually any frequency below 5 MHz (in theory; below 4MHz in easy
practicality). The AD9834 only consumes 20mw at 3.3 VDC. There are many
other devices in the product line. Many have built-in comparators to
produce square-wave output.

While blasts from the past, let me remind you of the CD4059 and the much
faster 74HC/HCT4059. The 74-series parts guarantee operation on inputs as
high as 20 MHz. "typically" as high as 50 MHz. These will divide by any
binary value from 3 to 2^16 or even as high as 21327 with some gaps.

The division ratio is set by 16 external pins plus some configuration pins
(24-pin DIP package).

The rub is that the part is very rare these days. I suppose discontinued.

Yes Tim, I agree. Unfortunately, the physics of RF favors "small" and
"compact". This is the price we pay for such high performance. It's not yet
to the point where it's a 'show stopper' for experimenters, but you have to
be increasingly resourceful and persistent. Many have dropped out of
hombrewing at a time when the possibilities are most exciting, merely
because they can't or won't adapt to the new packaging technologies and the
need to learn a little about firmware programming in order to make the new
generation of parts work. It's not that they "can't" learn, it's mostly that
they "won't" learn.

Joe
W3JDR



In the case of RF devices like DDS's and high-performance microprocessors
(you think 1GHz isn't RF?) the surface mount package significantly
enhances
performance. I haven't found them to be that bad to work with; you just
need good eyes and a steady hand.


--------------------------------------
Tim Wescott
Wescott Design Services
http://www.wescottdesign.com

Yes Tim, I agree. Unfortunately, the physics of RF favors "small" and
"compact". This is the price we pay for such high performance. It's not yet
to the point where it's a 'show stopper' for experimenters, but you have to
be increasingly resourceful and persistent. Many have dropped out of
hombrewing at a time when the possibilities are most exciting, merely
because they can't or won't adapt to the new packaging technologies and the
need to learn a little about firmware programming in order to make the new
generation of parts work. It's not that they "can't" learn, it's mostly that
they "won't" learn.

Joe
W3JDR



In the case of RF devices like DDS's and high-performance microprocessors
(you think 1GHz isn't RF?) the surface mount package significantly
enhances
performance. I haven't found them to be that bad to work with; you just
need good eyes and a steady hand.


--------------------------------------
Tim Wescott
Wescott Design Services
http://www.wescottdesign.com

On Tue, 24 Feb 2004 22:39:26 GMT, "W3JDR" wrote:
FYI, I have bought two of the DDS Daughter boards from

http://www.njqrp.org/

and used a standard Weller soldering iron to build it, with the
exception of the SM DDS chip, installed by KitBuilders.. email



Excellent results, both from KitBuilders and the finished product.
For $19 for the kit and $6 for installing the chip I now have a 1Hz
resolution signal source..

Thanks George ( njqrp ) and Mike ( wa6ouw )