"huLLy" wrote:

: ZZZPK wrote:
: Stephen wrote:
:
: Okay enough on my ability to type and spell. I'm only a programmer
: not an English major.
:
: Stephen
:
:
: in Brians eyes .. a "LOWLY" programmer.
:
: Even an English squaddie could spell 'radio' for goodness sake..
:
: Yes, before anyone points out the obvious... I know!

yes..the hook was the size of LVN's sigma4 aerial.

ZZZPK wrote:

yes..the hook was the size of LVN's sigma4 aerial.

If they didn't bend in half with a whisp of wind, I would have put one up
here...
--
huLLy
VOIP SIP Phone Number 4823176 on Global Village
Or +44 8703 408916 to my VOIP line
email (Loon reports welcome)
http://www.giganews.com/customer/gn119503

Thanks for the info. I expecting the project will take me a year to
build. But thats okay. I still need to get my license.
Stephen
=================================
Getting a licence might take you just a weekend or 2

Frank GM0CSZ / KN6WH

On Sat, 05 Feb 2005 14:49:02 GMT, Stephen wrote:

On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 23:52:03 +0000, KW wrote:


"G1LVN" wrote in message
oups.com...
intelligent amateur radeo? Is that like a rodeo?


You could get horse with talking too much!

KW

Okay enough on my ability to type and spell. I'm only a programmer not an
English major.


About the use of language: it is impossible to sharpen a pencil with a
blunt axe. It is equally vain to try to do it with ten blunt axes
instead.

Besides a mathematical inclination, an exceptionally good mastery of
one's native tongue is the most vital asset of a competent programmer.

Edsger W. Dijkstra, "How do we tell truths that might hurt?"
from: Selected Writings on Computing: A Personal Perspective
Springer-Verlag, 1982. ISBN 0–387–90652–5.

"Matthew Haigh" wrote in message
...
In article , Custos Custodum
writes
Besides a mathematical inclination, an exceptionally good mastery of
one's native tongue is the most vital asset of a competent programmer.

I'd disagree. I know many very good commercial programmers who can't
spell to save their lives. But what really matters is that they can't
spell _consistently_, so mis-spelled variables and function names are
mis-spelled the same way every time (or the compiler catches the error
and they correct it to be consistent with their other mis-spellings).

Plus, of course, programming is not the hard bit- hasn't been for some time.
The skill lies in the system and software design. These days many packages
can autogenerate code and, with the high uP speeds and low memory costs,
that code is efficient enough to do the job- hand crafting to improve speed
etc often isn't required, even in real time apps. The move to the use of
real time operating systems has also reduced the demand for much of the core
software- one company can turn out versions (for example VxWorks, LynxOS)
that can serve many applications. The OEM manufacturer can focus just in his
particular needs, and pay a pitance of a fee to the RTOS supplier (sometimes
s few £)

Tends to leave a lot of the old hacker types on the scrap heap- often as not
claiming everyone else is the hacker.

It can be interesting reading some of the comments in their code!

True.

--
Brian Reay
www.g8osn.org.uk
www.amateurradiotraining.org.uk
FP#898

In message , Custos Custodum
writes
On Sat, 05 Feb 2005 14:49:02 GMT, Stephen wrote:

On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 23:52:03 +0000, KW wrote:


Okay enough on my ability to type and spell. I'm only a programmer not an
English major.


About the use of language: it is impossible to sharpen a pencil with a
blunt axe. It is equally vain to try to do it with ten blunt axes
instead.

Besides a mathematical inclination, an exceptionally good mastery of
one's native tongue is the most vital asset of a competent programmer.

This probably explains why instructions for installing and running
software are frequently inaccurate, misleading and leave out certain
vital steps. The criterion seems to be 'if it's close enough. it's good
enough'.
Ian.
--

Shortcomings of computer programmers -

Lazy layabouts.

Lacking in logical thought.

A distinct weakness in use of the English language.

However, they are very good at outwitting their employers, who are even
worse, and obtaining money (wages, salaries, fees) under false pretences.

Custos Custodum wrote:

: Besides a mathematical inclination, an exceptionally good mastery of
: one's native tongue is the most vital asset of a competent programmer.

nonsense.

i know of a number of people who have programming "degrees" who couldnt do
either.

"Brian Reay" wrote:

: "Matthew Haigh" wrote in message
: ...
: In article , Custos Custodum
: writes
: Besides a mathematical inclination, an exceptionally good mastery of
: one's native tongue is the most vital asset of a competent programmer.
:
: I'd disagree. I know many very good commercial programmers who can't
: spell to save their lives. But what really matters is that they can't
: spell _consistently_, so mis-spelled variables and function names are
: mis-spelled the same way every time (or the compiler catches the error
: and they correct it to be consistent with their other mis-spellings).
:
: Plus, of course, programming is not the hard bit- hasn't been for some time.
: The skill lies in the system and software design. These days many packages
: can autogenerate code and, with the high uP speeds and low memory costs,
: that code is efficient enough to do the job- hand crafting to improve speed
: etc often isn't required, even in real time apps. The move to the use of
: real time operating systems has also reduced the demand for much of the core
: software- one company can turn out versions (for example VxWorks, LynxOS)
: that can serve many applications. The OEM manufacturer can focus just in his
: particular needs, and pay a pitance of a fee to the RTOS supplier (sometimes
: s few £)

said m3osn who never was a "lowly programmer"

:
: Tends to leave a lot of the old hacker types on the scrap heap- often as not
: claiming everyone else is the hacker.
u mean the ones who actually know how to program properly ?

"Reg Edwards" wrote in message
...
Shortcomings of computer programmers -

Lazy layabouts.

Lacking in logical thought.

A distinct weakness in use of the English language.

However, they are very good at outwitting their employers, who are even
worse, and obtaining money (wages, salaries, fees) under false pretences.


A taste for red wine?

Steve H