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On May 6, 11:44�pm, RDWeaver wrote:
On May 7, 2:08 am, wrote: On May 6, 8:07?pm, "George" wrote: I'm totally surprised. I was under the impression that ham radio h ad declined in popularity over the decades! The numbers say otherwise. And they have for many years. 1990: US population 249 million US hams 550,000, 1 ham per 453 Americans 2000: US population 281 million, US hams 683,000, 1 ham per 411 Americans May 5 2007: US population (estimated) 301,773,107 US hams 655,219, 1 ham per 460 Americans But something apparently has gone horribly wrong. Your numbers indicate that in the past 7 years we have lost all the gains of the 90's and are apparently sliding backwards into the 1980's hams-per- Americans ratios. ?? Not just 'my' numbers but any reliable numbers you look at. What has happened in the past 7 years is this: From 2000 to 2003, the number of US hams rose, but since 2003 the numbers have been slowly declining, as expirations exceeded new licenses.The recent rules changes seem to have stopped the decline in numbers but they are only a few months old. We can speculate on what's going on, but it's only speculation. So here are some speculations: 1) In 1984 the FCC doubled the license term from 5 to 10 years. Which meant that from 1989 to 1994 there were no US amateur license expirations at all. That period is long gone now. 2) There are three basic reasons to become a ham: First, to legally operate 2-way radios as an end in itself, second, to do technical things with 2-way radios that aren't allowed in other radio services, and third, to use low-cost electronic communication. The first two reasons are pretty much unchanged. But the third has changed radically in the past 10-20 years or so. Email, the internet, cell phones and many other options have made amateur radio just one of many ways that people can use low-cost electronic communication. For example, back in the 1970s, 1980s and 1990s, we experienced a steady stream of new hams who wanted to use the various repeater/ autopatch systems in this area for personal noncommercial communications, particularly while mobile. Whole families would show up at classes and VE sessions, and the repeaters were busy with their activities. The term 'honeydo hams' entered the jargon. Some of them became interested in other facets of amateur radio, some did not. Nothing wrong with that, either way. Then came inexpensive cell phones. They went from being a luxury to a near-necessity in a decade or so. Inexpensive, long distance mobile communications went from something unusual and exotic to ubiquitous - and we lost that source of new hams. Very few people get amateur radio licenses today in order to coordinate who is picking up the dry cleaning on the way home and who has soccer practice carpool. In the 1980s it was common. 3) The percentage of residences with antenna restrictions keeps rising. In many areas you have to look really hard to find an affordable newer home where you can put up something as innocuous as a G5RV or a vertical. 4) The nature of free time has changed for many Americans. It's not that people don't have free time, it's that their free time is less predictable and comes in odd chunks. Many American families are juggling two careers, child and elder care, and the expectation of being available most of the time. Activities that requires solid pieces of time, like amateur radio, aren't going to be as popular in such an environment. There are lots more, but I'm out of time! 73 de Jim, N2EY |
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wrote on Mon, 7 May 2007 08:12:02 EDT:
On May 6, 11:44?pm, RDWeaver wrote: For example, back in the 1970s, 1980s and 1990s, we experienced a steady stream of new hams who wanted to use the various repeater/ autopatch systems in this area for personal noncommercial communications, particularly while mobile. Whole families would show up at classes and VE sessions, and the repeaters were busy with their activities. The term 'honeydo hams' entered the jargon. I didn't know the term "honey-do ham" existed until seeing in these newsgroups. :-) In knowing many licensed radio amateurs in the southwestern USA, their spouses and/or offspring got licenses for the purpose of amateur radio participation, not for picking up dry cleaning or coordinating soccer practice carpools. While it has been common for some spouses to call the other spouse to pick up something on the way home, that has been routinely done by the POTS here from 1960 to the present time. shrug 3) The percentage of residences with antenna restrictions keeps rising. In many areas you have to look really hard to find an affordable newer home where you can put up something as innocuous as a G5RV or a vertical. I keep hearing about all that "trouble" and have yet to see it around here in existing neighborhoods of the eastern San Fernando Valley area of L.A. (SFV population about 1.5 million). The average home residence plot is 1/4 to 1/3 acre in the majority; in the majority of those with antennas other than K-band TV satellite service are the CB and scanner antennas. The off-center-fed dipole (G5RV type) is more noticeable than a CB or external scanner antenna or TV dish. A beam antenna, even one that can be lowered to near ground level will stick out like a sore thumb in a neighborhood which doesn't have anyone else with such a structure. Yes, I know such residential areas exist, but I say those are still in the minority among the millions of residence units in the USA. In the common residence without any restrictions on large, ungainly structures, hams have to face the very real problem of some neighbors simply not tolerating uncommon, highly-visible structures such as ham antennas. Amateur radio is simply not their thing and they consider their home as a home, not a small-scale radio station. To get along with neighbors, hams have to "sell" themselves to neighbors and completely damp any indignation that neighbors don't like the idea of (to them) ungly structures in the air next door. There's no way that one can legislate away bad feeling that neighbors may have about ugly (to them) ham antennas; it is their neighborhood also. 4) The nature of free time has changed for many Americans. It's not that people don't have free time, it's that their free time is less predictable and comes in odd chunks. Many American families are juggling two careers, child and elder care, and the expectation of being available most of the time. Activities that requires solid pieces of time, like amateur radio, aren't going to be as popular in such an environment. Being always older than the FCC, I just can't accept the above excuse for "times changing." Every year for the last 50 or so I've heard variations on that rationalization and every time it has appeared always applied the "current generation." :-) No generation owns that excuse nor has it "earned" it. In every year I've observed human society in this country for the last half century or so, those that wanted to do what they wanted made the time. The motion picture industry made its big business push during the Great Depression...when folks didn't have much income. They wanted to be entertained, didn't have TV, few had radios to listen to the a-borning broadcast networks. Elder-care homes were not close to as numerous as they are now and families were stuck with providing for their aging relatives with no extra financial help, no Medi-Care or (in CA) Medi-Cal. Wives kept up the homes and took care of the children (if there were any) while husbands worked (if they had jobs...28% didn't have steady work at the peak of the Great Depression). Somehow most survived that ordeal as they had for centuries past. Most of my high school class of 1951 managed to show up at our 2001 Reunion even though some had to travel 1 to 2 thousand miles to do so. Most of us looked like we could make it to our 60th Reunion in 2011. :-) Amateur radio is really a niche activity in American society when viewed in the entirety of all activities available. Of course, the downside of that same society is a divorce rate that has continually increased since the end of WWII...which is oddly (but not so much so) coincident with the fantastic rise in availability of mass media advertising plus the escapist fare of TV and motion picture entertainment. I won't bother to mention the increased new-home foreclosures or the rising debt from easy credit card spending. ["credit cards" didn't exist a half century ago] Like it or not, advertising space sales make it possible for amateur radio publications to exist even if just to break even for membership organizations. Those ads are bought by producers of goods and services for the amateur radio market, producers hoping to sell things even to those who already have radios and some services. Everyone needs to honestly ask themselves a number of questions: Do you really HAVE to trade up to a new, bigger home in order for more antenna space? Do you really HAVE to get a new transceiver to replace the one you've used for ten years? Do you HAVE to spend all that time on the hobby at the expense of time with family and friends? If you have a spouse, does she/he HAVE to work to help support your hobby? Do you HAVE to use ham radio to communicate with others or can you possibly use another form of communications? Those questions are all individual. Insert any hobby's name in those questions, same thing there. Amateur radio is a voluntary activity, not a basic necessity of life. The USA as a nation won't collapse if a ham misses a contest or can't make a Field Day "readiness exercise." Let's put it all into a proper perspective of viewing amateur radio as a whole, not just from an individual-experience viewpoint. 73, Len AF6AY |
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![]() "AF6AY" wrote in message ups.com... wrote on Mon, 7 May 2007 08:12:02 EDT: On May 6, 11:44?pm, RDWeaver wrote: For example, back in the 1970s, 1980s and 1990s, we experienced a steady stream of new hams who wanted to use the various repeater/ autopatch systems in this area for personal noncommercial communications, particularly while mobile. Whole families would show up at classes and VE sessions, and the repeaters were busy with their activities. The term 'honeydo hams' entered the jargon. I didn't know the term "honey-do ham" existed until seeing in these newsgroups. :-) In knowing many licensed radio amateurs in the southwestern USA, their spouses and/or offspring got licenses for the purpose of amateur radio participation, not for picking up dry cleaning or coordinating soccer practice carpools. While it has been common for some spouses to call the other spouse to pick up something on the way home, that has been routinely done by the POTS here from 1960 to the present time. shrug When I licensed back in 1992, the majority of the people in the class and at the various test sessions as I went up the ladder were these "honey-do" hams and the family group communications types. This type of use was heavily promoted to non-hams by hams of the day. I heard a lot of chit chat on the repeaters, including discussions on errands etc, between family members as they traveled around town. While there is no issue with this, the downside was that many became inactive as they got cell phones. Only a few seemed to carry forward into other areas of ham radio activity. Dee, N8UZE |
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On May 8, 3:36�am, "Dee Flint" wrote:
"AF6AY" wrote in message When I licensed back in 1992, the majority of the people in the class and at the various test sessions as I went up the ladder were these "honey-do" h ams and the family group communications types. This type of use was heavily promoted to non-hams by hams of the day. I heard a lot of chit chat o n the repeaters, including discussions on errands etc, between family members as they traveled around town. While there is no issue with this, the down side was that many became inactive as they got cell phones. Only a few seem ed to carry forward into other areas of ham radio activity. Well, I was curious about that, wondering if it was some kind of local or regional thing. Here in the populous southwestern corner of the USA there didn't seem to be too much of that. In the Greater Los Angeles area (population roughly 8 million and spread out over a large area), the LOS repeaters were carrying lots of club activities with those clubs involved in amateur radio doings rather than the "honey-do" kind of thing. 73, Len AF6AY |
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On Mon, 07 May 2007 22:38:07 -0400, AF6AY wrote:
I didn't know the term "honey-do ham" existed until seeing in these newsgroups. :-) In 44 years and a half dozen call signs I have to say I've never heard the term either. I'm wondering if it is something that was invented on the Internet, sort of like the current popular practice of capitalizing HAM as though it were some kind of an acronym. |
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![]() "Rick (W-A-one-R-K-T)" wrote in message news ![]() On Mon, 07 May 2007 22:38:07 -0400, AF6AY wrote: I didn't know the term "honey-do ham" existed until seeing in these newsgroups. :-) In 44 years and a half dozen call signs I have to say I've never heard the term either. I'm wondering if it is something that was invented on the Internet, sort of like the current popular practice of capitalizing HAM as though it were some kind of an acronym. I heard it first in 1992. The internet was not a significant factor then. Dee, N8UZE |
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Interesting. I've been wondering about the same things!
I was licensed around the same time as you ('63, I think it was) and I also had never heard of the "honey-do" term before seeing it here. Same thing with capitalizing HAM. My excuse is that I've been inactive for years so I haven't kept up. 73, George K6GW "Rick (W-A-one-R-K-T)" wrote in message news ![]() On Mon, 07 May 2007 22:38:07 -0400, AF6AY wrote: I didn't know the term "honey-do ham" existed until seeing in these newsgroups. :-) In 44 years and a half dozen call signs I have to say I've never heard the term either. I'm wondering if it is something that was invented on the Internet, sort of like the current popular practice of capitalizing HAM as though it were some kind of an acronym. |
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On May 8, 2:38 am, AF6AY wrote:
I didn't know the term "honey-do ham" existed until seeing in these newsgroups. It was a term usually used in a pejorative manner to imply that the licensees (often married couples) didn't get their licenses for the 'right' reasons and weren't 'real' Amateurs. My spouse got her license in that era (early 90's) and even though she is a General and we collaborate in many 'real' amateur activies like contesting (see our two Divisional multi-op Championships in SS CW Iin 03 and 06 at K0RT), one of our local 'influential' hams recently commented that she got into Amateur Radio 'as one of those honey-do hams'. 73, de Hans, K0HB |
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On May 9, 10:30�pm, K�HB wrote:
It was a term usually used in a pejorative manner to imply that the licensees (often married couples) didn't get their licenses for the 'right' reasons and weren't 'real' Amateurs. Then it's a regional thing, because here in EPA, and in other areas where I've heard the term used, I never heard it used in a pejorative manner. It was simply a descriptive, similar to "DX'er" or "contester" or "ragchewer". My spouse got her license in that era (early 90's) and even though she is a General and we collaborate in many 'real' amateur activies like contesting (see our two Divisional multi-op Championships in SS CW Iin 03 and 06 at K0RT), one of our local 'influential' hams recently commented that she got into Amateur Radio 'as one of those honey-do hams'. Well, people say all sorts of things, true or not..... Besides, it's common for amateurs to get their license for one reason or set of reasons but then branch out into other areas. Word meanings sometimes change over time. Like the word "handle".... 73 de Jim, N2EY |
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ps.com [snip] Word meanings sometimes change over time. Like the word "handle".... Now that one really *does* irritate me. A handle is for opening a door. I have a *name*, ok..?! 73 Ivor G6URP |
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